I can't see a 'SOLID REG' minraising really ever. Posted by beaneh
Re-read the OP and REG is not mentioned. My mistake, serves me right for replying to a few of these hands at once.
However the terms 'solid' and 'doesn't get out of line' are our only reads as given. Forget the min raise on the turn, that's not the basis of our discussion here Beaneh. From the reads we have his range to give us value is practically nil the way the hand has been played up to our first decision on the turn. TdTx, Kx etc should be folded by a solid player on the turn.
In Response to Re: 30NL - Solid Oppo, cbet, or not cbet? - and on the turn? : Re-read the OP and REG is not mentioned. My mistake, serves me right for replying to a few of these hands at once. However the terms 'solid' and 'doesn't get out of line' are our only reads as given. Forget the min raise on the turn, that's not the basis of our discussion here Beaneh. From the reads we have his range to give us value is practically nil the way the hand has been played up to our first decision on the turn. TdTx, Kx etc should be folded by a solid player on the turn. Posted by TommyD
'Should' be folded, if you're an aggressive player you'd be surprised how many times hands that should be folded aren't. Also if he is folding all of those hands would you then advocate betting this turn with a 100% frequency except for in the instances when we turn top pair?
so many passive players ITT, you bet the turn for value because we have TPTK, we get value from Kxd, Adx, Jxd. QQ-77d (people are bad). on a side note them folding qq-77d is good for us because then we have 100% of the pot instead of 80% equity when we check back
also if you aren't betting this turn with TPTK i would love to see the hand strength that you would bet the turn with i mean if you have bottom set here what hands do you beat that are between AQ and 66 in hand strength apart from AJ that you can reasonably assume are in a solid person's range. the only difference between bottom set and AQ here is that we peel the turn and try to bink a boat with the set.
essentially you're saying that when you 2barrel this board you have a flush or nothing(semibluff goes here) and that makes your range super polarised, which is bad. i.e vs a polarised range villain should never fold 8x+ on a brick river but vs a balanced range which includes hands for thin value such as Ax he should be folding Kx.
Beaneh, yes I am generally betting here if I don't make top pair and generally checking if I do make top pair. In this specific spot with this opponent.
LOL Raise, to your question if we have bottom set. Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't AK bang in the middle of the villain's range? Plus a set gives us extension to house up on a river so of course I'm more confident betting a set as I am ahead of more of the villains range with extensions to improve against the made flush.
Ok, maybe I am over estimating the skill level of the villain in this instance, but I also think that you guys might be underestimating their skill level. 77d as part of his range? I thought this guy was solid, not a monkey with a keyboard.
The more and more I look at this hand I'm starting to think the villain as AQ with A(d) or AK with A(d) and has us locked out. However, all of my reasoning is based on all actions up to our first one on the turn.
BTW, loving the discussion guys even if I am swimming against the tide, proper poker clinic stuff, well done all
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so many passive players ITT, you bet the turn for value because we have TPTK, we get value from Kxd, Adx, Jxd. QQ-77d (people are bad). on a side note them folding qq-77d is good for us because then we have 100% of the pot instead of 80% equity when we check back
also if you aren't betting this turn with TPTK i would love to see the hand strength that you would bet the turn with i mean if you have bottom set here what hands do you beat that are between AQ and 66 in hand strength apart from AJ that you can reasonably assume are in a solid person's range. the only difference between bottom set and AQ here is that we peel the turn and try to bink a boat with the set.
essentially you're saying that when you 2barrel this board you have a flush or nothing(semibluff goes here) and that makes your range super polarised, which is bad. i.e vs a polarised range villain should never fold 8x+ on a brick river but vs a balanced range which includes hands for thin value such as Ax he should be folding Kx.