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JONONZIEJONONZIE Member Posts: 367
edited June 2010 in The Poker Clinic
 I bluft this hand and think the caller should have folded ?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
bluebir708 Small blind   10.00 10.00 1720.00
JONONZIE Big blind   20.00 30.00 1840.00
  Your hole cards
  • 5
  • 3
     
strat1111 Raise   60.00 90.00 1930.00
patey09 Call   60.00 150.00 1910.00
HITMAN_RV Fold        
Mcwood Fold        
bluebir708 Fold        
JONONZIE Call   40.00 190.00 1800.00
Flop
   
  • 7
  • 10
  • 6
     
JONONZIE Check        
strat1111 Bet   80.00 270.00 1850.00
patey09 Fold        
JONONZIE Call   80.00 350.00 1720.00
Turn
   
  • K
     
JONONZIE Check        
strat1111 Check        
River
   
  • 9
     
JONONZIE Bet   320.00 670.00 1400.00
strat1111 Call   320.00 990.00 1530.00
JONONZIE Show
  • 5
  • 3
     
strat1111 Show
  • A
  • 10
     
strat1111 Win Pair of 10s 990.00   2520.00
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  • BelovedLtdBelovedLtd Member Posts: 188
    edited June 2010
    Was this a tournament?

    Which one?
    What was the buy in??

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  • JONONZIEJONONZIE Member Posts: 367
    edited June 2010
     but this did help later on. a as my cards were shown and I was caught bluffing the next hand I played the other player did not believe I had a hand so called me downnd i managed to double up
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  • JONONZIEJONONZIE Member Posts: 367
    edited June 2010



    In Response to Re: bluffing:
    ? Which one? What was the buy in??
    Posted by BelovedLtd
    the 8.00 bounty £11.00 buy in and obviosly early stages
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  • BelovedLtdBelovedLtd Member Posts: 188
    edited June 2010
    There's a fair amount of analysis to do straight away but I think it's better to ask the questions and make the observations in the right logical order
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  • BelovedLtdBelovedLtd Member Posts: 188
    edited June 2010
    OK not too cheap then, obviously the really cheap games the answer is because no one ever folds a pair.

    2nd question

    Why do you think he should have folded?
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited June 2010

    problem with bluffing here is that  he pot controls the turn so river is alwas going to be a smallish bet, unless you decide to overbet. also he can have flushes & straights in his range too so i dont really like it that much anyhow. just fold preflop!

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  • JONONZIEJONONZIE Member Posts: 367
    edited June 2010
    In Response to Re: bluffing:
    OK not too cheap then, obviously the really cheap games the answer is because no one ever folds a pair. 2nd question Why do you think he should have folded?
    Posted by BelovedLtd
    well I bet the straight draw also one over card all not bet until the river someone with pair of tens should be seriously thinking their behind or not?
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  • JONONZIEJONONZIE Member Posts: 367
    edited June 2010
    whilst this is still my thread this is the hand I went out with in the same turny on reflection i should have folded (always easy after the event lol) but would you? the guy was new to the table but pretty lose
    Shep27 Small blind   600.00 600.00 18527.50
    animated_j Big blind   1200.00 1800.00 35742.50
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    		     
    giste Fold        
    _TJ_ Fold        
    JONONZIE Raise   2400.00 4200.00 17120.00
    massey10 Fold        
    Shep27 Fold        
    animated_j Call   1200.00 5400.00 34542.50
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • 9
    • 9
    		     
    animated_j Check        
    JONONZIE Bet   2400.00 7800.00 14720.00
    animated_j Raise   12600.00 20400.00 21942.50
    JONONZIE All-in   14720.00 35120.00 0.00
    animated_j Call   4520.00 39640.00 17422.50
    animated_j Show
    • 9
    • J
    		     
    JONONZIE Show
    • A
    • A
    		     
    Turn
       
    • K
    		     
    River
       
    • 8
    		     
    animated_j Win Three 9s 39640.00   57062.50
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  • BelovedLtdBelovedLtd Member Posts: 188
    edited June 2010
    In Response to Re: bluffing:
    In Response to Re: bluffing : well I bet the straight draw also one over card all not bet until the river someone with pair of tens should be seriously thinking their behind or not?
    Posted by JONONZIE
    But if you flopped a straight you slow played it too slow - ie you would have been wrong to check rather than get money in the pot

    If you flopped a gutshot (which you did) then he was giving you the wrong odds to hit (which isn't hard as it's so unlikely to hit)

    Strange as it may seem, most people will give you credit, so what check calling probably conveyed was that you'd hit top pair with a weaker kicker, and checking on the turn probably confirmed this.

    Preflop: (in the nicest possible way) what were you thinking?
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  • BelovedLtdBelovedLtd Member Posts: 188
    edited June 2010
    nb and if he thought you were on a draw it would have been a flush draw

    If he thought that then the river bet would have just looked like a desperate bluff

    I may have been giving him too much credit for thinking you'd hit a weak pair
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  • JONONZIEJONONZIE Member Posts: 367
    edited June 2010
    cheers BelovedLtd nice to see another side which should make us better players
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  • BelovedLtdBelovedLtd Member Posts: 188
    edited June 2010
    There's a lot more to analyse than that :D
    Go on go on go on

    Preflop: (in the nicest possible way) what were you thinking?


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  • BelovedLtdBelovedLtd Member Posts: 188
    edited June 2010
    Or to make it slightly shorter

    What was your plan when you called preflop and what was your plan when you called the flop bet?
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited June 2010
    the second hand is a super fist pump, do a little dance snap call btw.
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