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Bad river card, continue to bet?

DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
edited June 2010 in The Poker Clinic

Villain has been busy over a small sample size, no previous history.

Very aggressive, especially post flop, and has shown down 1 total bluff.

His lack of aggression in this hand, led me to believe he was drawing, either to the nut flush, or the full house.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
DOHHHHHHH Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £123.94
braz Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £9.12
  Your hole cards
  • 9
  • Q
     
-v- Fold     
xxx Raise  £1.50 £2.25 £51.70
Ivan666 Fold     
LoreGiver Call  £1.50 £3.75 £49.05
DOHHHHHHH Call  £1.25 £5.00 £122.69
braz Fold     
Flop
   
  • J
  • 7
  • 4
     
DOHHHHHHH Check     
xxx Bet  £3.75 £8.75 £47.95
LoreGiver Fold     
DOHHHHHHH Raise  £8.50 £17.25 £114.19
xxx Call  £4.75 £22.00 £43.20
Turn
   
  • 9
     
DOHHHHHHH Bet  £14.50 £36.50 £99.69
xxx Call  £14.50 £51.00 £28.70
River
   
  • K
     
DOHHHHHHH ???  
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  • BananaDogBananaDog Member Posts: 1,390
    edited June 2010
    ALL IN!!!!!! (but then again i lose! lol)
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  • dylan12dylan12 Member Posts: 2,343
    edited June 2010

    First of all, what was your thinking of calling oop? Were you making a stance and calling wider etc?

    Sounds like with your read that he is drawing, you probably know he is drawing on the flop so I would make my turn bet bigger. I know you make the turn bet in order to entice the call probably but surely if he is on the draw and being a bit busy he will surely pay pff a pot bet etc, obviously the river card is a horrible card but your decision here will have been easier had you built the pot on the turn. If you put him on a draw then you must check fold probably but tbh im losing my chips here and would possibly check in order to pray he puts a half pot bet instead of an all in - what ever the outcome im losing my money with the 2nd nuts here m8.

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  • pryce6pryce6 Member Posts: 1,058
    edited June 2010

    If you bet you only really get called by the Ac but with that amount in the middle relative to his stack size I would call a bet from him. I'd c/c the river and hopefully he turns a set/2 pair into a bluff and you can snap it off. If he turns over the Ac then fair enough.

    I'm interested to hear what others would do though.

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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2010

    Thanx for the early replies, before anyone else answers, I am 100% never folding to a shove....

    Does that make a check wrong??? - Or am I more likely to get money by givig him the rope most times?

    If he has a set, he will still believe he has showdown value? - so check behind when he may call a bet?





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  • dylan12dylan12 Member Posts: 2,343
    edited June 2010
    In Response to Re: Bad river card, continue to bet?:
    Thanx for the early replies, before anyone else answers, I am 100% never folding to a shove.... Does that make a check wrong??? - Or am I more likely to get money by givig him the rope most times? If he has a set, he will still believe he has showdown value? - so check behind when he may call a bet?
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    If he ever has a set then surely he folds anyway with 4 to the flush there - I don't understand his logic if he has a set though, if he is willing to get it in on the river then he may as well get it all in on the flop.
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited June 2010
    In Response to Re: Bad river card, continue to bet?:
    Thanx for the early replies, before anyone else answers, I am 100% never folding to a shove.... Does that make a check wrong??? - Or am I more likely to get money by givig him the rope most times? If he has a set, he will still believe he has showdown value? - so check behind when he may call a bet?
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Quite the contrary.  If you are completely committed to calling to a shove, check here all the time and give him the chance to turn a made hand into a bluff or continue bluffing.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited June 2010
    bet more on turn, he has so little back I just stick him in. deeper stacked you could b/f c/c or c/f lol
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  • freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited June 2010
    he has £28 back and £51 is in the pot, make it £19 on turn and put him all in on river, he might call with 2 pair or a set or smaller flush but if you check he also checks all these hands behind.
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited June 2010
     bet bigger on flop  stick him in on the turn, if he was that aggro he would 4 bet flop with nut draw? if he has op or set 4th club kills your action id be looking to get it in asap
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited June 2010
    def bet more turn.

    river i just put it in.  if he has the A so be it.  but randoms can and do call with worse flushes/2prs/sets on these kinda boards.

    if he had more then 45 or so then a b/f c/c might be better but as he has so little theres no point.  can't really see the point of checking to induce with him having only 28 back as i cant see what he will shove with thats worse, and i think its unlikely a random is gonna turn a hand like KJhh into a bluff here.


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