Here is how the hand played out. Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance xxx Small blind 40.00 40.00 9511.25 xxx Big blind 80.00 120.00 3765.00 Your hole cards K K xxx Fold xxx Fold POKERTREV Raise 320.00 440.00 12775.00 villain Raise 1040.00 1480.00 9111.25 xxx Fold xxx Fold xxx Fold xxx Fold POKERTREV Raise 1440.00 2920.00 11335.00 villain Raise 3600.00 6520.00 5511.25 POKERTREV Call 2880.00 9400.00 8455.00 Flop 5 K J POKERTREV Check villain All-in 5511.25 14911.25 0.00 POKERTREV Call 5511.25 20422.50 2943.75 POKERTREV Show K K villain Show A A Turn J River A villain Win Full House, Aces and Jacks 20422.50 20422.50 Villain hit J on Turn and River A to take down the pot. Posted by POKERTREV
I wondered how you went from 20,000 to 2,900 after i got moved to another table! If its any help I also woke up at 5am this morning thinking about the ****ing donk that put me out.
why dont you want hands to call you like 10's to queens pre flop? confused.com Posted by barnsie
Hi Barnsie. If I were playing a 6 handed table, I would be happy to be called with those type of cards all day long.
The maximum number of cards out pre flop on a 6 seater is 12 (17 including flop, turn & river)
The maximum number of of cards out pre-flop on a 10 seater is 20 (25 including flop, turn & river)
Because there are more players and more cards out in a 10 seater, I don't feel the holding cards are as strong pre-flop as they would normally be on a 6 seater. For instance there is more chance of multiple pairs and also Ace high hands being dealt such as A10, AJ, AQ, AK as holding cards and the more players that fold pre-flop the more likely it is that an ace or a set is going to be dealt with the remaining few cards.
If you play 10 seaters regularly, it soon becomes apparent that holding cards pre-flop are not as strong as 6 seater tournies and players use a much wider calling range and you seem to have more chance of getting your hand through without too much collateral damage if you see the flop first and then re-****.
This is only my observation, but one which gets me to many final tables in the 10 seater deepies.
So if you're at a 6 seater table you're happy to be called with QQ/JJ/AK/AQ etc when you have KK but on a 10 seater table you're not???
And how is it more likely for a player to hit a set/ace on the flop of a 10 seater table? The odds of this happening is still the same however many handed you are playing...
Easiest Call you can make wats there 2 think about??? what u should have been doing is putting them 2 the test pre flop other than that gimi the loot gimi the loot you have flopd top set NO BRAINERRRRRR ok so he hits his out but on the flop u are massiv it doesnt happen often aa vs kk pre flop but when it does b ready for fireworks simple as
I wish my name was Merenovice as I might be able to explain this a little better lol.
If I give you 10 cards and ask you to pull out the Ace the odds are 10-1 If I give you 6 cards and ask you to pull out the Ace the odds are only 6-1
On a 6 Seater table there are 40 cards left in the pack after the hole cards are dealt, so if there was only one ace left the odds of the next card being an Ace would be 40-1
On a 10 Seater table there are only 32 cards left in the pack after the hole cards have been dealt, so if there was only one Ace left the odds of the next card being an Ace would only be 32-1
I cant work out the odds for these scenarios if there were 3 Aces in the pack and you had 5 attempts (ie -Community Cards), but obviously the odds would be dramatically reduced.
Maybe someone can ask Merenovice. (cause I have a headache)
I wish my name was Merenovice as I might be able to explain this a little better lol. If I give you 10 cards and ask you to pull out the Ace the odds are 10-1 If I give you 6 cards and ask you to pull out the Ace the odds are only 6-1 On a 6 Seater table there are 40 cards left in the pack after the hole cards are dealt, so if there was only one ace left the odds of the next card being an Ace would be 40-1 On a 10 Seater table there are only 32 cards left in the pack after the hole cards have been dealt, so if there was only one Ace left the odds of the next card being an Ace would only be 32-1 I cant work out the odds for these scenarios if there were 3 Aces in the pack and you had 5 attempts (ie -Community Cards), but obviously the odds would be dramatically reduced. Maybe someone can ask Merenovice. (cause I have a headache) Posted by POKERTREV
head asplode
If you have 52 cards and 4 aces, odds of an ace are 4/52,
on the second draw you now have 51 cards and 4 aces to hit so 4/51 if you missed, 3/51 if you hit.
To work out the probability of one thing and another you multiply the numbers.
As I have now seen the flop, I think this is the best time to shove all in. On this point I think we can all agree. I have played the hand to the flop and improved my hand so at this stage I think it is safe to say I have to shove regardless of what villain does next. So that being said, can someone break down my options with KK on a 10 handed deepy? 1. Do I shove all in pre without putting my oppo on a hand? 2. Was I correct to raise my oppo's re-raise or should I have just shoved against his re-raise? 3. If I put oppo on AA after he re-raised my re-raise, am I still shoving all-in pre flop? or do I flat call giving me a chance to get out of the hand if I don't improve? 4. Or are we saying KK in a 10 handed deepy is an insta shove all in pre flop every time? My thought procces was: I 4/bet pre-to ask the question, villain re-raises, so at this point i could put him on JJ, QQ, AA. I re-pop him to ask the question and try to narrow his hand down a little and he answers by coming over the top again. (Does he have AA?) I think if I shove here it is suicide, however, I have invested a good proportion of my stack into the pot so I now decide to flat call to re-**** my hand. My hand improves so I pretty much think it's now going to go all-in. But if I hadn't improved on the flop I think I would have folded to his all in as I would have had no option but to put him on AA. (Over 50% of my stack gone but with 8.5K left at this early stage I would have still been in good shape for the rest of the tourny) My thought process may be wrong on this occasion and most likely is, which is why I ask you for your advice. Posted by POKERTREV
i really hate this ASKING THE QUESTION line of thinking, what question were you asking? have you got Aces? would you 5 bet me with AK AQ JJ QQ? well i asked but i dont believe you so will you 7 bet me with ak aq jj qq?,
so you asked he told you and you didnt believe so pretty pointless really, at least you didnt turn your kk into a bluff and fold it pre, BET FOR VALUE BET FOR VALUE BET FOR VALUE BET FOR VALUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i hope this makes sense........ no point calling the last bet pf the best move was allin you have 60% EQUITY in this hand against his range get it in and be done with it
IMO you absolutely had to get it all-in after that flop. You played the hand perfectly well.
You were rightly worried about AA pre-flop. But that flop was almost perfect for you, only KKx would have been better, given the pre-flop action there's virtually no way he'd be holding 2 clubs, Ac A is your biggest worry.
You were unlucky on this occasion, it's just one of those things. This was a massive +ev situation, if you put him on 2 random aces your equity was 76% (65% if he held Ac, 87% if he didn't). Three times out of four you'd have won this pot, then be left sitting with a monster stack and well set up for a deep run.
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If I were playing a 6 handed table, I would be happy to be called with those type of cards all day long.
The maximum number of cards out pre flop on a 6 seater is 12 (17 including flop, turn & river)
The maximum number of of cards out pre-flop on a 10 seater is 20 (25 including flop, turn & river)
Because there are more players and more cards out in a 10 seater, I don't feel the holding cards are as strong pre-flop as they would normally be on a 6 seater. For instance there is more chance of multiple pairs and also Ace high hands being dealt such as A10, AJ, AQ, AK as holding cards and the more players that fold pre-flop the more likely it is that an ace or a set is going to be dealt with the remaining few cards.
If you play 10 seaters regularly, it soon becomes apparent that holding cards pre-flop are not as strong as 6 seater tournies and players use a much wider calling range and you seem to have more chance of getting your hand through without too much collateral damage if you see the flop first and then re-****.
This is only my observation, but one which gets me to many final tables in the 10 seater deepies.
WHAT. The equity that QQ has vs KK is the same no matter if you are playing HU/6seater/10 seater.
And how is it more likely for a player to hit a set/ace on the flop of a 10 seater table? The odds of this happening is still the same however many handed you are playing...
If I give you 10 cards and ask you to pull out the Ace the odds are 10-1
If I give you 6 cards and ask you to pull out the Ace the odds are only 6-1
On a 6 Seater table there are 40 cards left in the pack after the hole cards are dealt, so if there was only one ace left the odds of the next card being an Ace would be 40-1
On a 10 Seater table there are only 32 cards left in the pack after the hole cards have been dealt, so if there was only one Ace left the odds of the next card being an Ace would only be 32-1
I cant work out the odds for these scenarios if there were 3 Aces in the pack and you had 5 attempts (ie -Community Cards), but obviously the odds would be dramatically reduced.
Maybe someone can ask Merenovice. (cause I have a headache)
I'm not helping much am I? Perhaps I should just admit defeat and go back to the tables.
Anyway, I do value the points you have made on this post Scotty and every little bit helps to improve my game.
Many Thanks m8y.
so you asked he told you and you didnt believe so pretty pointless really,
at least you didnt turn your kk into a bluff and fold it pre,
BET FOR VALUE BET FOR VALUE BET FOR VALUE BET FOR VALUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i hope this makes sense........ no point calling the last bet pf the best move was allin you have 60% EQUITY in this hand against his range get it in and be done with it
You were rightly worried about AA pre-flop. But that flop was almost perfect for you, only KKx would have been better, given the pre-flop action there's virtually no way he'd be holding 2 clubs, Ac A is your biggest worry.
You were unlucky on this occasion, it's just one of those things. This was a massive +ev situation, if you put him on 2 random aces your equity was 76% (65% if he held Ac, 87% if he didn't). Three times out of four you'd have won this pot, then be left sitting with a monster stack and well set up for a deep run.