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Value bet or not?

Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
edited July 2010 in The Poker Clinic
Rumen1gge Small blind  75.00 75.00 3300.00
council005 Big blind  150.00 225.00 6690.00
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • K
     
droid Call  150.00 375.00 15910.00
Dudeskin8 Raise  450.00 825.00 7785.00
lucky77777 Fold     
Rumen1gge Fold     
council005 Call  300.00 1125.00 6390.00
droid Call  300.00 1425.00 15610.00
Flop
   
  • A
  • J
  • J
     
council005 Check     
droid Check     
Dudeskin8 Bet  712.50 2137.50 7072.50
council005 Call  712.50 2850.00 5677.50
droid Call  712.50 3562.50 14897.50
Turn
   
  • 5
     
council005 Check     
droid Check     
Dudeskin8 Check     
River
   
  • Q
     
council005 Check     
droid Check     
Dudeskin8
Raise pre standard 3x 2 callers flop heaven, c-bet as usual and 2 callers not bad 1 would be better. Then nightmare turn as one shorly has flush, both check so I check just incase then River both check again. So is there a value bet to be made here or just check it down ?
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited June 2010
    I bet turn in position i think. Deffo bet river as played.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited June 2010
    In Response to Re: Value bet or not?:
    I bet turn in position i think. Deffo bet river as played.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    How much do you bet and do you call a shove ?
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited June 2010
    If you bet river you played it perfectly I think.

    Around 1500-1800 is good imo.
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  • CowgomooCowgomoo Member Posts: 749
    edited June 2010
    I'd bet like 1900 and fold to a raise.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited June 2010
    about half pot sounds good. and nooo you can't call a shove, you would beat like nothing.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited June 2010
    In Response to Re: Value bet or not?:
    about half pot sounds good. and nooo you can't call a shove, you would beat like nothing.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    So isn't checking in position the better play ?
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  • CowgomooCowgomoo Member Posts: 749
    edited June 2010
    In Response to Re: Value bet or not?:
    In Response to Re: Value bet or not? : So isn't checking in position the better play ?
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    No because you are missing out on value from the all the Ax that are going to call you down blindly because "you cant possibly have a jack, it's so unlikely", but if you get raised you can be assured that 99 times out of 100 you are not being bluffed.
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  • NorbitNorbit Member Posts: 490
    edited July 2010

    I like your posts Dudeskin, always good to think about...well esp for me

    I would actually bet the turn with king of diamonds in my hand.

    On the river im like the rest of the posts n bet about 1/2 pot lil bit more maybe and folding to a shove.
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited July 2010
    i dont mind ur turn check, i would bet 1500 ish on river
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited July 2010

    make it 4x pre instead of 3x, you ideally would want to win this preflop or get HU to the flop in position,
    bet more on the flop as its 3way theres an ace that nobody is folding and also lots of potential draws, as you have the Kd in your hand i would bet the turn aswell, could possibly fold if droid shoves but that depends if you have any idea of his limp/calling range?  i would shove river if either flat called the turn.

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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2010
    Well in the end I decided to check on the river, but tbh I know I lost value as not many player will check a made flush on the river so I really should have made some sort of bet. Amazed to see one had AK really should have had it all on on flop and defo on turn if not for stupid diamond lol .
    Rumen1gge Small blind  75.00 75.00 3300.00
    council005 Big blind  150.00 225.00 6690.00
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • K
    		     
    droid Call  150.00 375.00 15910.00
    Dudeskin8 Raise  450.00 825.00 7785.00
    lucky77777 Fold     
    Rumen1gge Fold     
    council005 Call  300.00 1125.00 6390.00
    droid Call  300.00 1425.00 15610.00
    Flop
       
    • A
    • J
    • J
    		     
    council005 Check     
    droid Check     
    Dudeskin8 Bet  712.50 2137.50 7072.50
    council005 Call  712.50 2850.00 5677.50
    droid Call  712.50 3562.50 14897.50
    Turn
       
    • 5
    		     
    council005 Check     
    droid Check     
    Dudeskin8 Check     
    River
       
    • Q
    		     
    council005 Check     
    droid Check     
    Dudeskin8 Check     
    council005 Show
    • A
    • K
    		   
    droid Show
    • 10
    • Q
    		   
    Dudeskin8 Show
    • J
    • K
    		   
    Dudeskin8 Win Three Jacks 3562.50  10635.00
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited July 2010
    dont be scared by flush draw getting there, i used to always get really scared and assume cuz they flat called flop they must have flush draw and had obvs hit on turn. Just bet it and u can fold to a raise. Otherwise u lose value.
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