Raise or Call?

Dudeskin8

Early stage of a Deepstack just look to play small pairs suited connectors flop big win big hopefully. So in this situation I just limp and call the raise with an additional caller from the blinds. A descent bet is made from 1st caller so what is best move here with a player behind left to act ?

Edit : Y is a fairly descent, solid player who plays these Deepstacks regularly. X is new name to me in these tourneys.

YOUNG_GUN	Small blind		20.00	20.00	5315.00
pas40	Big blind		40.00	60.00	8480.00
	Your hole cards	6 6
ROCKET82	Fold
Y	Call		40.00	100.00	4690.00
Loki-Rogy	Fold
rawhand	Fold
Dudeskin8	Call		40.00	140.00	4465.00
X	Raise		160.00	300.00	4388.75
YOUNG_GUN	Fold
pas40	Fold
Y	Call		120.00	420.00	4570.00
Dudeskin8	Call		120.00	540.00	4345.00
Flop
		K 9 6
Y	Bet		405.00	945.00	4165.00
Dudeskin8

GREGHOGG

any information on player y?

if not, i put in a potsize reraise here and now i am also prepared to get it all in on the flop with bottom set should i get reshoved on. Alot of players will overvalue AK/KQ here, also K9 is a possibility, so im getting it in.

If my rereaise gets flatted, i am reassessing on the turn so may be able to  get away if a real danger card comes.

yb

I would raise pre, as played deffo raise the flop.

LOL_RAISE

id only flat if i was very sure that player X would raise

JohnConnor

I agree with LOL RAISE im definately raising unless im sure player X would raise behind. At the end of the day your going all the way with this on the flop and you want as many chips in as possible as quick as possible. There are real scare cards possible on the turn if you flat here and player X flats or folds.

BlackFish3

In Response to Re: Raise or Call?:

I would raise pre, as played deffo raise the flop.
Posted by yb

+1 you have position. oop i think limping is fine to just set mine. but you have position so give yourself another way to win the pot eh?

TommyD

Gotta agree with the consensus.  Only call if the player behind is very likely to raise.  I'm looking to get it all in now if possible, the board is a little top board wet for me to risk the flat versus two players.

The_Don90

Im with the majority, but with one small differance.

I re-raise no matter what the player inbehind is likley to do, if their likley to re-raise their going to re-raise anyways unless i go all in, so lets make them put more in let them re-raise and snap all in over the top.

beaneh

In Response to Re: Raise or Call?:

Im with the majority, but with one small differance. I re-raise no matter what the player inbehind is likley to do, if their likley to re-raise their going to re-raise anyways unless i go all in, so lets make them put more in let them re-raise and snap all in over the top.
Posted by The_Don90

It would be alot easier to raise a lead + call rather than raise a 'raise re-raise'. 

Raising this flop is good, though I would most likely call more often than not as we only have just over 2x pot back on turn and we has position and the guy behind can come in and yada yada sets are fun

Dudeskin8

Well in the end I decided to just minraise in the hope someone pushed over the top but clearly they had nout.

YOUNG_GUN	Small blind		20.00	20.00	5315.00
pas40	Big blind		40.00	60.00	8480.00
	Your hole cards	6 6
ROCKET82	Fold
Y	Call		40.00	100.00	4690.00
Loki-Rogy	Fold
rawhand	Fold
Dudeskin8	Call		40.00	140.00	4465.00
X	Raise		160.00	300.00	4388.75
YOUNG_GUN	Fold
pas40	Fold
Y	Call		120.00	420.00	4570.00
Dudeskin8	Call		120.00	540.00	4345.00
Flop
		K 9 6
Y	Bet		405.00	945.00	4165.00
Dudeskin8	Raise		810.00	1755.00	3535.00
X	Fold
Y	Fold
Dudeskin8	Muck
Dudeskin8	Win		1350.00		4885.00
Dudeskin8	Return		405.00	0.00	5290.00

BlackFish3

dont min raise!! raise more for valuuuuuuuue.

beaneh

By minraising you might as well erect (lol) a sign saying 'SET WAS HERE.....'

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: Raise or Call?:

By minraising you might as well erect (lol) a sign saying 'SET WAS HERE.....'
Posted by beaneh

Yh I realised this afterwards lol. Maybe a call could have been better then get it in on any safe turn.

beaneh

In Response to Re: Raise or Call?:

In Response to Re: Raise or Call? : Yh I realised this afterwards lol. Maybe a call could have been better then get it in on any safe turn.
Posted by Dudeskin8

call fill up and have him open shove into you drawing dead. ez game

lynx3ffect

In Response to Re: Raise or Call?:

In Response to Re: Raise or Call? : call fill up and have him open shove into you drawing dead. ez game
Posted by beaneh

+1, Th is coming on the turn and 9c on the river. bishbashbosh