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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited July 2010
    Harvey if you're saying we should c-bet 40% of pot when we miss (and obviously if we hit we would bet more than this for value) then this is very exploitable. I don't agree that you'll be able to use this style all the way up to 200nl. Even some of the weaker players at 50nl/100nl etc. will be able to see through this, especially as most of them will think on a basic level that small bet = weakness.
  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: Advice wanted?:
    In Response to Re: Advice wanted? : of course! 1. 2 overs might even be good so it would turn into a bet for value without you realising. 2. more likely to be semi bluff than stone cold bluff with 2 overs etc. 3. people do fold at micro stakes, they fold very easily to c bets, fold over 50% of flops to c bets according to 100k micro stakes hands i have. people say never bluff at micro stakes, message should be more dont fire many multiple barrel bluffs without a strong draw or good turn card. Fire once and give up generally works well. Obvs you are unlikely to get people off 2nd pair and they never fold top pair unless they are not terrible. But 1 barrel usually is very profitable.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    Ok cool, I never knew the fold % was so high at the micro stakes. Definitely worth c-bet bluffing most boards then, seeing as we only need to make them fold about 40% of the time to make it profitable, and that's not even including the times when they call our flop c-bet bluff and then we hit on the turn etc.

    How do you get those stats off here btw? Or is it hands from a different site?

  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: Advice wanted?:
    In Response to Re: Advice wanted? : Ok cool, I never knew the fold % was so high at the micro stakes. Definitely worth c-bet bluffing most boards then, seeing as we only need to make them fold about 40% of the time to make it profitable, and that's not even including the times when they call our flop c-bet bluff and then we hit on the turn etc. How do you get those stats off here btw? Or is it hands from a different site?
    Posted by yb
    ya my c bet is like 80-90% i think. and its from holdem manager on FT.
    its the common misconception with micro stakes, people never fold.
    Yes you get some calling you down with 3 high. But most just play fit or fold on the flop and so fold a ton of the time and there is just dead money hitting you in the face.
  • Patching99Patching99 Member Posts: 446
    edited July 2010
    finster Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £4.26
    Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £2.98
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
         
    becko Fold     
    dorithy Fold     
    Patching99 Raise  £0.16 £0.22 £3.73
    alcando Call  £0.16 £0.38 £3.45
    finster Fold     
    Call  £0.12 £0.50 £2.86
    Flop
       
    • 7
    • J
    • 9
         
    Check     
    Patching99 Bet  £0.36 £0.86 £3.37
    alcando Fold     
    Call  £0.36 £1.22 £2.50
    Turn
       
    • 6
         
    Check     
    Patching99 Check     
    River
       
    • 6
         
    All-in  £2.50 £3.72 £0.00
    Cheers everyone, consider making the flop bet bigger and 3/4 to pot on the turn seems to be the standard view.

    I was thinking of how much to bet, time running down, ended up checking.  I knew this was awful at the time, unsure why I checked but there you go. 

    Right, next step, another 6 falls and player goes insta all-in.

    Call?
  • Patching99Patching99 Member Posts: 446
    edited July 2010
    Anyone fancy giving their advice on the River decision?
  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited July 2010
    snap call, you has overpair and draws bricked, you beat a good portion of his value range (you now beat all hsi flopped 2pair) and you also beat all his bluffs.

    balance is generally overated imo, you should just play maximally exploitative at small stakes. just be aware that as you move up people will take more notice of you  so super obvious things like bet sizing tells will cost you alot of money in the future
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