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MTT HU - what's my best move here

GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
edited July 2010 in The Poker Clinic

Since HU play started I have been very aggresive. I started with a 1 to 5 chip defecit, but have pulled back to nearly level in just a few hands. The hand immediately prior to this I re-raised my opponents flop bet to all-in with my QJ giving me only a gut-shot on a rainbow ATx flop, he folded. Since we got down to 3 handed my opponent has been raising about 75% of buttons, folding the rest, I was surprised he opted to flat call this time, I chose to call and see the flop.

My junk hole-cards hit the flop very hard, I check and my opponent bets the pot. What should be my next move?



villain Small blind  400.00 400.00 32415.00
GaryQQQ Big blind  800.00 1200.00 26385.00
  Your hole cards
  • 8
  • 2
     
villain Call  400.00 1600.00 32015.00
GaryQQQ Check     
Flop
   
  • K
  • 2
  • 8
     
GaryQQQ Check     
villian Bet  1600.00 3200.00 30415.00

Comments

  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited July 2010
    i'd go all in, as hopefully he either has a made hand or hit the flop so would call as you have been aggressive

    thats a good flop for you only better would be unsuited
  • harvey23harvey23 Member Posts: 433
    edited July 2010
    raise obz around x2.5/3, as played bet flop.
    In Response to Re: MTT HU - what's my best move here:
    i'd go all in, as hopefully he either has a made hand or hit the flop so would call as you have been aggressive thats a good flop for you only better would be unsuited
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    not this, by shoving all in, we make villian fold out all bluffs. rasing is good because we have the best hand so we raise for value, make them pay for draws, and we only have bottom two so dont want to get counterfitted on the turn if a K spikes. Shoving is bad, I dont mind if you re raised then they raised again shoving is good, but c-shoving is bad with them stack sizes
  • waynecwaynec Member Posts: 1,023
    edited July 2010
    With 8 2 off what better flop could u expect, only KK really to worry about unlikely he has a set of 8s, 2s or the flush draw which he may put u on with an over pair so I would shove. If he is bluffing he folds u win a small pot ..hey with 82 off I will take any pot if he has an over pair your in good shape should he calls.

    I did have a simular spot myself a while ago the villian did have a suited rag K and yes u guessed hit the rag on the river..... if that hand was played again would push again without doubt.
  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited July 2010
    Thanks for the opinions guys. 

    Clearly I had to assume I'm well ahead here and I want to double my stack. Rightly or wrongly my decision was to trap and hope for a kind turn card. I feigned weakness and indecision by flat calling his bet after running the timer down. Obviously I didn't want to see a K or a spade on the flop, but annoyingly it comes down as the 5s. I check to the aggressor, but the villian only makes a min bet of 800 into a 4800 pot.

    Now what?
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    villian Small blind  400.00 400.00 32415.00
    GaryQQQ Big blind  800.00 1200.00 26385.00
      Your hole cards
    • 8
    • 2
         
    villian Call  400.00 1600.00 32015.00
    GaryQQQ Check     
    Flop
       
    • K
    • 2
    • 8
         
    GaryQQQ Check     
    villian Bet  1600.00 3200.00 30415.00
    GaryQQQ Call  1600.00 4800.00 24785.00
    Turn
       
    • 5
         
    GaryQQQ Check     
    villian Bet  800.00 5600.00 29615.00
  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited July 2010
    i'd bet 3200 in this spot, although it is a scare card i dont think it has helped him othewise why underbet by betting less then he did on the flop i'd assume he still has king . problem here he could call the bet if he has a flush now or go over the top so although its not ideal you dont want him getting a cheap river spade to find out he has the ace of spades or hits another king here. re-adjust to what he does if he flat calls would have to re-assess the river. if he goes over the top tough one and depends on the player and your reads. i think he will just fold this here though with a good bet
  • harvey23harvey23 Member Posts: 433
    edited July 2010
    should of raised the flop and the stack to pot ratio might have been good enough for you to shove over another bet, but in this case you should raise looking to snap call a shove.
  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited July 2010
    I decided it was time top stop ****-footing around, my trap clearly hadn't worked, I needed to stick in a big bet now to see where I was. Until this hand my opponent had always crumbled under severe pressure, so I returned to my aggresive approach and put in a bet a slightly above the size of the pot. I expected the villain to either fold or shove, in which case I would have a tough decision. To my surprise he flat calls. The river card is 6d, I'm sure it won't have helped the villian unless he was prepared to call my turn bet with K6, I reckon I can safely rule out pockets 6s and a made flush.

    I'm first to act, a third of all the chips in play are already in the pot, this is a crucial moment. Should I bet, shove or check? 

    (PS - This has been a bizzarely played hand, constructive criticism of my play very welcome, that's why I posted it here)
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    gazza99 Small blind  400.00 400.00 32415.00
    GaryQQQ Big blind  800.00 1200.00 26385.00
      Your hole cards
    • 8
    • 2
         
    gazza99 Call  400.00 1600.00 32015.00
    GaryQQQ Check     
    Flop
       
    • K
    • 2
    • 8
         
    GaryQQQ Check     
    gazza99 Bet  1600.00 3200.00 30415.00
    GaryQQQ Call  1600.00 4800.00 24785.00
    Turn
       
    • 5
         
    GaryQQQ Check     
    gazza99 Bet  800.00 5600.00 29615.00
    GaryQQQ Raise  7200.00 12800.00 17585.00
    gazza99 Call  6400.00 19200.00 23215.00
    River
       
    • 6
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited July 2010
    Jam the river, I like how you've played it up until now. C/r flop is always an option.
  • scrumdownscrumdown Member Posts: 1,609
    edited July 2010
    shove all in m8
  • scrumdownscrumdown Member Posts: 1,609
    edited July 2010
    chasing his flush or got the king
  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited July 2010
    im pretty sure that he thinks he is trapping you, however that could be with a worse hand so i would still jam river, your turn c/r is really huge but it does set you up with a stack size to shove on the river so it isnt really a bad thing
  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited July 2010
    I jammed the river and got called.

    I'm convinced it was my relentless aggresion on previous hands that won me this pot (and the tournament). The villain turned over 8s Tc, he'd flopped second pair and was holding a flush draw on the turn.
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