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Putting the range thing into practise.
DOHHHHHHH
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This guy is a very solid mid stakes (nl30-50) reg.
When he 3 bets me pre flop, I can VERY confidently put him on a range of JJ+ and AQs+
Bearing that in mind, how should I react on the turn.
I had been beating him up all afternoon on 2 tables, so I have to factor in the chance of him losing the plot/tilting/playing a tad wider/3 betting me pre with air (however slim this %age is).
I really can't see him shoving the turn with less than ace king, so is it stupid to fold my hand in this spot? - Or is it sometimes a standard fold?
I kick myself sometimes, about convincing myself a hand is "too good to fold"
Re-assure me, that this is foldable?
When he 3 bets me pre flop, I can VERY confidently put him on a range of JJ+ and AQs+
Bearing that in mind, how should I react on the turn.
I had been beating him up all afternoon on 2 tables, so I have to factor in the chance of him losing the plot/tilting/playing a tad wider/3 betting me pre with air (however slim this %age is).
I really can't see him shoving the turn with less than ace king, so is it stupid to fold my hand in this spot? - Or is it sometimes a standard fold?
I kick myself sometimes, about convincing myself a hand is "too good to fold"
Re-assure me, that this is foldable?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| xxx | Small blind | £0.15 | £0.15 | £27.89 | |
| SadLoner69 | Big blind | £0.30 | £0.45 | £83.38 | |
| Your hole cards |
| ||||
| DOHHHHHHH | Raise | £1.20 | £1.65 | £97.35 | |
| DOBOSMBSH | Fold | ||||
| Tonik | Fold | ||||
| xxx | Raise | £3.75 | £5.40 | £24.14 | |
| SadLoner69 | Fold | ||||
| DOHHHHHHH | Call | £2.70 | £8.10 | £94.65 | |
| Flop | |||||
| |||||
| xxx | Bet | £6.08 | £14.18 | £18.06 | |
| DOHHHHHHH | Call | £6.08 | £20.26 | £88.57 | |
| Turn | |||||
| |||||
| xxx | All-in | £18.06 | £38.32 | £0.00 | |
Comments
So my mistake was pre flop?
And u stack off the turn as a no brainer?
if the range you put him on is JJ+, AQs+, what is he shoving the turn with, only hands that make sense given your range are AQ/AA/QQ/AK which you are doing bad against.
You say they could be tilted etc etc, have you noticed this in any of there play today? if so id prob call it off, otherwise based purlely on your range, I dont see what you beat.
Im calling to split........
He hardly ever has any other hand .... (if ever)
I think i would actally like the c-c line more then raise on the flop, as we can get them to bet with worse like KK/ Ax
He's a realllly solid player, I wud have left if someone was doing that to me, he did well to hold it together.
With all the above comments, the only thing that could convince me that this is a call, is the tilt factor. But I have no evidence that he is tilting (see post below), I just suspect that this may be the start of it....
On the turn, when he shoves....Im almost certain he has ace queen/ace king/QQ or AA. Ace queen is the very bottom of his 3 betting range, and that itself, could indicate abit of tilt.
Like I said in the above post, by calling here, the best I could really hope for is a split pot. The doubt in the back of my mind though, was that he could be tilting.
I just wanted re-assurance that the hand here is foldable, given the reads I have.
.....It seems however, that it aint foldable!
These hands I suppose are possible on the flop, but very unlikely given his narrow 3 betting range.
I suppose I could widen his pre flop range to AJsuited + and maybe TT+ given the way the table had played, but can't stress enough how unlikely TT and AJs are pre flop, and can almost rule them out 100% when he shoves the turn.
Im positive the range of hands he could have on the turn, are AA, AK, AQ, QQ.
The chance of him having anything other than these 4 hands is so slim, that surely it isn't even worth considering? -
As for every hero call I get right (and it would be a hero call with this villain) , Im stacking off all the other times, making this a low percentage play?
I have no reads/evidence that he's tilting, maybe opening more pots than usual across the 2 tables, but havent got to see any of the hands.
He limp raised me pre flop about half an hour before the hand, with ace king, which was unusual for him, and may be an indicator of him trying to make something happen/take a stand, but I would hardly class that as concrete evidence of a guy on tilt.
To beat nl30 on sky, you don't have to do anything at all.
The standard is woeful (although this week, there has been an influx of multi tabling nl30-ers - I suspect they are Harveys Ipoker m8s, who have definitely spiced things up and made it more entertaining)
I dont think this guy is ever 3 betting suited connectors, there really isn't a need and he knows this.
So in conclusion, is it foldable? - How bad wud a fold me?
So many times I lean towards folding, but think my hand is too strong to do so.
.......And of course I made the call, stupidly, I let the idea of him "tilting" get he better of me, and he showed AQ.
is this fabra btw? he is capable of tilt 3betting light, he used to do it to me loads; not as much now but he can do it.
but yeah i dont think that you can ever fold this flop when he is less than 100bb deep tho tbh.