In Response to Re: Yeah Baby Yeah! : i think dave is right when people can't accpet when they are wrong. over betting into 2 people as a bluff is a bad play. op bet roughly around 1.5 the size of the pot, so for this to work as a bluff they need to fold 60%~ of the time or more, and this is agaisnt 2 players so this play will not be profitable ever. Also the whole idea of betting huge, to make our hand look like a bluff, does not work at 4/8p where the level of thinking is quite basic. to me merenovice it sees I have upset you for some reason, and know you just are some exerme wild plays to counteract everything I am saying. Posted by harvey23
Quite the opposite. You seem unable to accept that your AB thinking isn't the best play in every situation and that your mechanistic moves are non-optimal when you know nothing about the table dynamics. Best of luck with your play - but don't overtly criticise people who have played a hand far more successfully than you appear to be capable of.
You may have a basic understanding of the game - but it is certainly basic.
To quote Skakespeare:
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy"
well in every post i try to post what i think is the best way to play the hand, i get alot of private message from people who sometime even ask me to post in there threads for advice, and other who want my advice on hands from me, So I must be doing something right.
I mean I would hardly call my poker thought process basic, I have proven to everyone here with my stats and info, that I have beaten limits up to 50nl with ease. Which is alot more then alot of people on here can say.
well in every post i try to post what i think is the best way to play the hand Posted by harvey23
well you didnt though did you...you said " well done on playing the hand incorrect on every street." as soon as I posted my hand which to me is just you trying to make yourself look big and clever and me look small and stupid...well I would take advice from anyone as Im starting out and the more help I can get the better but you just have this horrid attitude so I'm ending this here as I've had enough of this thread and wish i hadn't bothered posting in the first place! I mean how dare me actually be happy that I had my first Royal flush and got paid! I'm soooo sorry!
well in every post i try to post what i think is the best way to play the hand, i get alot of private message from people who sometime even ask me to post in there threads for advice, and other who want my advice on hands from me, So I must be doing something right. I mean I would hardly call my poker thought process basic, I have proven to everyone here with my stats and info, that I have beaten limits up to 50nl with ease. Which is alot more then alot of people on here can say. Posted by harvey23
When you have slaughtered every level, then you can claim that your thinking is sufficient to say that other people's play is so bad. I get asked to post a lot of things but it doesn't mean that I can (or should) criticise posters unless I know that they are factually incorrect.
Poker is generally a game of opinions. Your opinion may have some merit in some cases but stating that other peoples opinions are worthless is remarkably stupid.
In Response to Re: Yeah Baby Yeah! : well you didnt though did you...you said " well done on playing the hand incorrect on every street." as soon as I posted my hand which to me is just you trying to make yourself look big and clever and me look small and stupid Posted by BananaDog
The only thing I would say in Nasser's defence (sorry Harvie, with that profile pic, I can only picture you as the ex-England cricket captain) is that this thread has been posted in the wrong section, but I guess Banana was a little excited and it was an easy mistake to make which elicited Harvie's dig in his first comment.
But he has apologised for it now and since then both he and Mere have had a constructive and healthy debate and amen to that.
A couple of quick points on this before I hit the hay for the night:
1) I am not sure BananaDog has posted it in the wrong part of the forum per se. Yes, flopping the nuts with a redraw to the Super Duper Nuts (TM) might not be the most taxing of strategy posts at first glance, but there's something to be learnt from this hand and the discussion afterwards, namely how to get the most from your opponents in the following action. I personally think her line in the hand was fine, others might not.
2) Harvey23 is not a villain in this at all. As I said in my response to his mildly flippant reply, the idea for the Poker Clinic is that, when critiquing someone's hand, you offer lines of improvement. He's done that.
I used to play a lot of chess in the past and would constantly hear good players say something as simple as "That's a bad move in this position". The good teachers were the ones who might not have been as good at playing but were able to break down the reasons for the criticism - as well as how to possibly improve their game - for those who wanted to listen to their opinion. In a game of absolutes such as chess, there's less place for opinion than in poker.
I am sure Harvey is a very competent player, as his more elaborate posts have shown, but I was merely inciting debate by asking him to explain his thinking on this hand, which he did. Hats off to him for that.
The Poker Clinic is my favourite part of the forum because it allows us to look through different spots and compare how we play them. Proving who is right and who is wrong isn't the point; the aim is to open up the way you think about a hand and listen to the views of others so it *might* adjust the way you play. Ultimately, that decision is down to each and every one of you.
TY SkyDave...I agree with discussions being good and was gutted to see a massive argument starting just cos i posted by brag hand! Im sorry if it was in wrong place but I didnt think I was meant to post hands in General poker chat (I know different now) I'm glad were all sorted out here now and i do understand where your coming from Harvey...I just get angry when people come off as sarcastic to me with out any reason for it but we seem to be sorted now, maybe we will always have a clash of personalities on here so were just gonna have to learn to live with that cos to be honest I dont think anyone should be worried about posting what they want. I'm off to bed too and tomorrows a new day so fresh start everyone! lol
the reason for my comment was that it was a brag and your not really looking for advice, so you should post it elsewere, but I should of just said that instead of the comment i made.
the reason for my comment was that it was a brag and your not really looking for advice, so you should post it elsewere, but I should of just said that instead of the comment i made. But you know me. Posted by harvey23
lol, I know you now! I didnt know where to post it and I thought clinic was for hands and area 51 for bad beats....I now know I could have just put it in the general chat so hopefully I'll get another couple of royal flushes this week to post there! If I do I'll play one my way and one your way and see how I do! Glad were sorted and sorry also for losing my temper.
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You seem unable to accept that your AB thinking isn't the best play in every situation and that your mechanistic moves are non-optimal when you know nothing about the table dynamics.
Best of luck with your play - but don't overtly criticise people who have played a hand far more successfully than you appear to be capable of.
You may have a basic understanding of the game - but it is certainly basic.
To quote Skakespeare:
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy"
I mean I would hardly call my poker thought process basic, I have proven to everyone here with my stats and info, that I have beaten limits up to 50nl with ease. Which is alot more then alot of people on here can say.
I mean how dare me actually be happy that I had my first Royal flush and got paid! I'm soooo sorry!
Poker is generally a game of opinions. Your opinion may have some merit in some cases but stating that other peoples opinions are worthless is remarkably stupid.
Congrats Banana, nice one! 8- />
The only thing I would say in Nasser's defence (sorry Harvie, with that profile pic, I can only picture you as the ex-England cricket captain) is that this thread has been posted in the wrong section, but I guess Banana was a little excited and it was an easy mistake to make which elicited Harvie's dig in his first comment.
But he has apologised for it now and since then both he and Mere have had a constructive and healthy debate and amen to that.
Remind me to never sit down on your tables lol
hey bananadog nice hand!!!
im still waiting for my first royal flush.......................................................
wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
A couple of quick points on this before I hit the hay for the night:
1) I am not sure BananaDog has posted it in the wrong part of the forum per se. Yes, flopping the nuts with a redraw to the Super Duper Nuts (TM) might not be the most taxing of strategy posts at first glance, but there's something to be learnt from this hand and the discussion afterwards, namely how to get the most from your opponents in the following action. I personally think her line in the hand was fine, others might not.
2) Harvey23 is not a villain in this at all. As I said in my response to his mildly flippant reply, the idea for the Poker Clinic is that, when critiquing someone's hand, you offer lines of improvement. He's done that.
I used to play a lot of chess in the past and would constantly hear good players say something as simple as "That's a bad move in this position". The good teachers were the ones who might not have been as good at playing but were able to break down the reasons for the criticism - as well as how to possibly improve their game - for those who wanted to listen to their opinion. In a game of absolutes such as chess, there's less place for opinion than in poker.
I am sure Harvey is a very competent player, as his more elaborate posts have shown, but I was merely inciting debate by asking him to explain his thinking on this hand, which he did. Hats off to him for that.
The Poker Clinic is my favourite part of the forum because it allows us to look through different spots and compare how we play them. Proving who is right and who is wrong isn't the point; the aim is to open up the way you think about a hand and listen to the views of others so it *might* adjust the way you play. Ultimately, that decision is down to each and every one of you.
Right, who's for another hand discussion?
Night all!
I'm glad were all sorted out here now and i do understand where your coming from Harvey...I just get angry when people come off as sarcastic to me with out any reason for it but we seem to be sorted now, maybe we will always have a clash of personalities on here so were just gonna have to learn to live with that cos to be honest I dont think anyone should be worried about posting what they want.
I'm off to bed too and tomorrows a new day so fresh start everyone! lol
But you know me.
I didnt know where to post it and I thought clinic was for hands and area 51 for bad beats....I now know I could have just put it in the general chat so hopefully I'll get another couple of royal flushes this week to post there! If I do I'll play one my way and one your way and see how I do!
Glad were sorted and sorry also for losing my temper.