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Not sure how to play this...

DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
edited July 2010 in The Poker Clinic
First hand in a BH, limped the flop to try and pick up a set. Picked it up, and raised a weakly bet flop, bit of a sticky looking board. Turn was about the nastiest card imaginable, and completed both flush and a number of straight draws. The bet and raise made me lay it down, but is there an argument for calling the raise? I was basically certain at least one player had a flush or straight, so I was virtually sure I was behind, but with the amount of cards to hit for the boat, would it have been worth calling to pretty much guarantee stacking someone on the river if I hit, and duck out if I miss? With the blinds so small, being on ~1400/1500 still puts me at 70bbs, which is pretty deep.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
**** Small blind   10.00 10.00 1990.00
Villain1 Big blind   20.00 30.00 1980.00
  Your hole cards
  • 5
  • 5
     
****
 Call   20.00 50.00 1980.00
DeucesLive Call   20.00 70.00 1980.00
haroldon17 Fold        
X5-494 Fold        
Villain2 Call   10.00 80.00 1980.00
pokerevo Check        
Flop
   
  • 7
  • 5
  • 9
     
Villain1 Bet   20.00 100.00 1960.00
pokerevo Call   20.00 120.00 1960.00
**** Call   20.00 140.00 1960.00
DeucesLive Raise   60.00 200.00 1920.00
Villain1 Call   40.00 240.00 1920.00
pokerevo Fold        
Villain2 Call   40.00 280.00 1920.00
Turn
   
  • 6
     
Villain1 Bet   140.00 420.00 1780.00
Villain2 Raise   420.00 840.00 1500.00
DeucesLive Fold        
Villain1 Fold        
Villain2 Muck        
Villain2 Win   560.00   2060.00
Villain2 Return   280.00 0.00 2340.00
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2010
    Why did you raise to 60 ?
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  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited July 2010
    yea, meant to mention that. Should have raised more, knew that as soon as I did it- not sure it would make much difference at this blind level though. Was hoping to get the customers anyway, and would have moved if just a flush or straight draw had hit- but not both.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2010
    Still best to raise it up big to say 200 so if they call their making bad calls, here you are giving them super odds. Also turn is snap fold.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited July 2010
    It would make alot of difference because the turn wont always be this bad of a card.

    180 would be a pot raise I think, so 60 is terrrrrible. Prob worse than calling!
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  • JohnConnorJohnConnor Member Posts: 1,160
    edited July 2010
    "I was basically certain at least one player had a flush or straight, so I was virtually sure I was behind, but with the amount of cards to hit for the boat, would it have been worth calling to pretty much guarantee stacking someone on the river if I hit, and duck out if I miss?"

    With one card to come and 10 cards that improve you to a full house your worse than 4/1 shot here. You're currently getting 2/1 on your money AND you're sandwiched between the better and the raiser so this is an easy fold.

    With regard to implied odds, if they have got the hand(s) you suspect (which is extremely likely) all the money is going in on the turn and even if both of them come along I still do not think you are getting the correct price.

    JC
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