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6 biggest winning pots!

DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
edited July 2010 in The Poker Clinic

I was gonna do this, but I thought all the comments I wold recieve about me being on the end of coolers, would just dis-hearten me.

I think these hands are pretty standard.....but....see what ya think.

1) Back to the 10 handed table, I wasn't really playing poker here, just trying to hit a flop and then bet it for value.
I probably got the most I cold from this hand, but that doesnt make it right. Seriously close to just shoving all in on the river, as it looks as though he had an ace. Just went for the more conservative pot bet, any more would have let him get away, but long term the overbet is probably correct, right?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
auldyin Small blind   £0.15 £0.15 £47.72
davejimmy Big blind   £0.30 £0.45 £5.62
  Your hole cards
  • 2
  • 2
     
kpbignuts Fold        
alfarch Fold        
beagle Fold        
waratahs Call   £0.30 £0.75 £24.23
hairyhaggi Fold        
DOHHHHHHH Call   £0.30 £1.05 £30.60
willymot11 Fold        
nc24 Fold        
auldyin Call   £0.15 £1.20 £47.57
davejimmy Check        
Flop
   
  • 2
  • 7
  • A
     
auldyin Check        
davejimmy Check        
waratahs Check        
DOHHHHHHH Bet   £1.00 £2.20 £29.60
auldyin Call   £1.00 £3.20 £46.57
davejimmy Fold        
waratahs Fold        
Turn
   
  • A
     
auldyin Check        
DOHHHHHHH Bet   £2.70 £5.90 £26.90
auldyin Call   £2.70 £8.60 £43.87
River
   
  • J
     
auldyin Check        
DOHHHHHHH Bet   £6.75 £15.35 £20.15
auldyin Call   £6.75 £22.10 £37.12
DOHHHHHHH Show
  • 2
  • 2
     
auldyin Muck
  • 7
  • K
     
DOHHHHHHH Win Full House, 2s and Aces £21.00   £41.15
2) This is a good one to post, Im never folding to the shorty shove, but should I e re-shoving myself? I get outragiously lucky on the flop, and with a board that drawy, the shove is the only play right? - Ridic call from oppo, and a nice hold.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
RUDENOT2 Small blind   £0.15 £0.15 £10.56
CANROB Big blind   £0.30 £0.45 £85.19
  Your hole cards
  • 9
  • 9
     
fatboy105 Fold        
DOHHHHHHH Raise   £1.20 £1.65 £30.25
hairyhaggi Call   £1.20 £2.85 £29.04
Tonik Call   £1.20 £4.05 £26.62
RUDENOT2 All-in   £10.56 £14.61 £0.00
CANROB Fold        
DOHHHHHHH Call   £9.51 £24.12 £20.74
hairyhaggi Call   £9.51 £33.63 £19.53
Tonik Fold        
Flop
   
  • Q
  • 9
  • 10
     
DOHHHHHHH All-in   £20.74 £54.37 £0.00
hairyhaggi All-in   £19.53 £73.90 £0.00
DOHHHHHHH Unmatched bet   £1.21 £72.69 £1.21
RUDENOT2 Show
  • 5
  • 5
     
DOHHHHHHH Show
  • 9
  • 9
     
hairyhaggi Show
  • A
  • K
     
Turn
   
  • 2
     
River
   
  • A
     
DOHHHHHHH Win Three 9s £70.89   £72.10
3) Again, lucky card drops in on the turn. Bet sizing may be abit small? but sometimes at this level you have to hold your opponents hand while he puts money in the pot, try to make it less daunting for him, 1 step at a time. lol
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
DOHHHHHHH Big blind   £0.30 £0.30 £33.48
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • Q
     
nc24 Fold        
arnold03 Raise   £0.60 £0.90 £14.56
IANMAC1 Fold        
DOHHHHHHH Call   £0.30 £1.20 £33.18
Flop
   
  • A
  • 2
  • J
     
DOHHHHHHH Check        
arnold03 Check        
Turn
   
  • 10
     
DOHHHHHHH Bet   £1.00 £2.20 £32.18
arnold03 Raise   £2.00 £4.20 £12.56
DOHHHHHHH Raise   £5.00 £9.20 £27.18
arnold03 All-in   £12.56 £21.76 £0.00
DOHHHHHHH Call   £8.56 £30.32 £18.62
DOHHHHHHH Show
  • K
  • Q
     
arnold03 Show
  • A
  • J
     
River
   
  • 10
     
DOHHHHHHH Win Straight to the Ace £28.81   £47.43

4) I play alot more aggressive at nl50, and get rewarded by calls such as this....

Bet sizing again maybe?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
ljb1989 Sit out        
djcosmic Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £50.77
Forest1975 Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £43.73
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • A
     
DOHHHHHHH Raise   £2.00 £2.75 £52.70
CeeCee480 Call   £2.00 £4.75 £39.73
GeezerJT Fold        
djcosmic Fold        
Forest1975 Call   £1.50 £6.25 £42.23
Flop
   
  • 8
  • 2
  • Q
     
Forest1975 Check        
DOHHHHHHH Bet   £4.50 £10.75 £48.20
CeeCee480 Call   £4.50 £15.25 £35.23
Forest1975 Call   £4.50 £19.75 £37.73
Turn
   
  • Q
     
Forest1975 Check        
DOHHHHHHH Bet   £13.50 £33.25 £34.70
CeeCee480 Call   £13.50 £46.75 £21.73
Forest1975 Fold        
River
   
  • 9
     
DOHHHHHHH All-in   £34.70 £81.45 £0.00
CeeCee480 All-in   £21.73 £103.18 £0.00
DOHHHHHHH Unmatched bet   £12.97 £90.21 £12.97
DOHHHHHHH Show
  • Q
  • A
     
CeeCee480 Show
  • 7
  • 8
     
DOHHHHHHH Win Three Queens £88.41   £101.38
5) Ugh again, the turn drops in nicely. I couldn't hand pick a better turn and river than this....

Im just betting enough on the turn to price him in and with his stack, ensuring he has to call the river if he has any piece or it. I don't think bet sizing matters too much on the turn here against this opponent with his stack, again, ushering his money into the middle. softly softly.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
DOHHHHHHH Small blind   £0.15 £0.15 £30.96
Shadow1 Big blind   £0.30 £0.45 £76.46
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • J
     
djcosmic Call   £0.30 £0.75 £52.71
fisherma09 Fold        
bones180 Raise   £0.60 £1.35 £20.51
DOHHHHHHH Raise   £2.10 £3.45 £28.86
Shadow1 Fold        
djcosmic Fold        
bones180 Call   £1.65 £5.10 £18.86
Flop
   
  • 8
  • 8
  • 10
     
DOHHHHHHH Bet   £3.90 £9.00 £24.96
bones180 Call   £3.90 £12.90 £14.96
Turn
   
  • J
     
DOHHHHHHH Bet   £6.45 £19.35 £18.51
bones180 Call   £6.45 £25.80 £8.51
River
   
  • 6
     
DOHHHHHHH Bet   £12.60 £38.40 £5.91
bones180 All-in   £8.51 £46.91 £0.00
DOHHHHHHH Unmatched bet   £4.09 £42.82 £10.00
DOHHHHHHH Show
  • J
  • J
     
bones180 Show
  • A
  • K
     
DOHHHHHHH Win Full House, Jacks and 8s £41.02   £51.02
6) Sigh, another sick cooler for me, how he got out of this with money behind is beyond me. Maybe bet sizing again?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
POKEOFFU Small blind
£0.25 £0.25 £35.88
DOHHHHHHH Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £102.69
  Your hole cards
  • 3
  • A
     
---god--- Fold        
GeezerJT Fold        
ljb1989 Fold        
POKEOFFU Raise   £0.75 £1.50 £35.13
DOHHHHHHH Call   £0.50 £2.00 £102.19
Flop
   
  • A
  • 3
  • A
     
POKEOFFU Bet   £1.50 £3.50 £33.63
DOHHHHHHH Call   £1.50 £5.00 £100.69
Turn
   
  • 5
     
POKEOFFU Bet   £3.75 £8.75 £29.88
DOHHHHHHH Raise   £9.00 £17.75 £91.69
POKEOFFU Call   £5.25 £23.00 £24.63
River
   
  • Q
     
POKEOFFU Check        
DOHHHHHHH Bet   £13.50 £36.50 £78.19
POKEOFFU Call   £13.50 £50.00 £11.13
DOHHHHHHH Show
  • 3
  • A
     
POKEOFFU Muck
  • 2
  • A
     
DOHHHHHHH Win Full House, Aces and 3s £48.20   £126.39
See how good I run and still lose?

I'm even more worried now! (btw was less than a 1 buy in losing session, but shud have been +2/3 I suspect)
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2010

    7) - Maybe shud stop calling oop with these sorts of hands. I was really confused by his play here. To check the flop then min raise the turn......

    Therefore decided to stick a blocker bet in on the river, Im pretty sure my hand is good, and if he makes a big raise over the river bet, it obviously isn't.

    He could call with hands which are better than mine, but I find out for £3 rather than check calling, and losing maybe £9. - Is this auwful flawed logic? - It basically says "I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE I AM"! - doesnt it?
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    DOHHHHHHH Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £45.90
    CeeCee480 Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £36.13
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • J
    		     
    GeezerJT Fold        
    DAVKATIAN Raise   £1.50 £2.25 £49.46
    djcosmic Fold        
    Forest1975 Fold        
    DOHHHHHHH Call   £1.25 £3.50 £44.65
    CeeCee480 Fold        
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • 9
    • 7
    		     
    DOHHHHHHH Check        
    DAVKATIAN Check        
    Turn
       
    • J
    		     
    DOHHHHHHH Bet   £2.50 £6.00 £42.15
    DAVKATIAN Raise   £5.00 £11.00 £44.46
    DOHHHHHHH Call   £2.50 £13.50 £39.65
    River
       
    • Q
    		     
    DOHHHHHHH Bet   £3.00 £16.50 £36.65
    DAVKATIAN Call   £3.00 £19.50 £41.46
    DOHHHHHHH Show
    • A
    • J
    		     
    DAVKATIAN Muck
    • A
    • 9
    		     
    DOHHHHHHH Win Pair of Jacks £18.53   £55.18
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  • harvey23harvey23 Member Posts: 433
    edited July 2010
    text book mate well done, just enforicng the ethos of BET BET BET when you have your strong hands, no need to slowplay when you are the PFR
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2010

    Yeh cheerz Harvey, it was suggested on the other thread that I post these, I don't think theres much you can draw from them, other than bet sizing in some instances.....

    I dont really do alot of analysing of my own game, and posting 2 threads like this may not be the smartest thing i've ever done, but looking accross the 2 threads, I play some pots almost identical, with the nuts, and with absolutely sod all.

    That's got to be a good thing right? .......

    Sooner or later these coolers are gonna run out tho, I'm flopping sets with 90% of my pocket pairs! :) - Alright obviiusly not that much, but alot more than I should be!

    AGHHHHH Bad signs for the future...

    (I do get ra ped with bad beats alot tooooooooooo !see area51!)


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  • harvey23harvey23 Member Posts: 433
    edited July 2010
    well least you are willing and wanting to learn that is the main thing. If you used  progam like hold em manger or Poker tracker, it would give you ALOT of stats on you play, hands you win/lose, with, what postions you make money, how often you cbet %, raise % all this could be helpful in reviwing your game.

    sky does not have the features yet to allow to use these softwares, lets keep persting them to do something about it then it would help us all!!

    and yeah playing the nuts as the same way you play your bluffs is good for balancing.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited July 2010
    bad beats are part of the game you get no more than others. you just remember them more.

    The reason I told you to post like this was to try and check that everything is in order rather than just looking where you lost money. Similarly you want to check the pots you took down without showdown, how did you play them. did they just fold because they had the one combination of nothing and normally you should be checking back and betting river or something.

    Hand 1- full pot bets earlier streets pls, the pot grows exponentially. he's never folding an ace on the river, I like your bet size.

    Hand 2 - I'd rejam the nines pre.

    Hand 3 - Fine

    Hand 4 - Standard

    Hand 5 - You could check turn in hand 5 because there is no money back.

    Hand 6 - Don't really like defending A3o unless he is very passive and you have good reads. 3 bet or fold normally for me. I'd jam river he only has a pot sized bet left thereabouts.

    Hand 7 - This is the most interesting hand and it depends on what you reckon his turn min raising range is, I think you can blocker bet slightly bigger so that a) you get more value and b) you don't look so weak and accidentally induce something.


    Looking through pots where you don't go to showdown is very important too. Gl.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: 6 biggest winning pots!:
    well least you are willing and wanting to learn that is the main thing. If you used  progam like hold em manger or Poker tracker, it would give you ALOT of stats on you play, hands you win/lose, with, what postions you make money, how often you cbet %, raise % all this could be helpful in reviwing your game. sky does not have the features yet to allow to use these softwares, lets keep persting them to do something about it then it would help us all!! and yeah playing the nuts as the same way you play your bluffs is good for balancing.
    Posted by harvey23

    This is not wanted and will never happen, ducy?
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited July 2010
    I liked the way you played a lot of these.

    Hand 1: I'd raise pre, as played bet a bit bigger on each street and probably overbet the river as I doubt an ace is folding

    Hand 2: I'd be shoving pf, as played yeh deffo shove on flop as the boards hit haggi's calling range pretty hard also

    Hands 3,4 & 5 are perfect imo, bean don't you think in hand 5 its best to bet a little on the turn in case he's drawing and river bricks?

    Hand 6: I'd fold pre personally, but its I guess its ok to float ip bvb with atc. I'd raise the turn a bit more so we can comfortably shove the river.

    Hand 7: fine until river, then I'd be checking to call pretty much any bet if I remember this particular villain correctly.
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited July 2010
    just a little thing regarding sizing, if you want to set up stacks so that the money goes all in for a pot sized bet, take the size of the pot on the turn  away from the effective stacks, then divide it by three and you have your turn bet size.

    e.g. pot is 10 you have 36     36-10 =26 26/3 = 8.66   so 10+8.66+8.66 is 27.32 and your remaining sack is 36-8.66 = 27.34. (if anyone comments on me being out by .02 because of rounding i will stab them in the face)

    in hand 1 i think shoving the river is quite bad unless you absolutely think he will never fold an ace. you can overbet without shoving.

    you say you are surprised that when villain has A2 he doesnt lose all his money, when really he has a bluff catcher, this makes me think that you might be too focused on absolute hand values like "zomg i has straight arrr iiiiin" while villains range actually only consists of better hands or bluffs your straight is now a bluff catcher and not that good at all.(unless ur vs beaneh in which case it = nuts)
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: 6 biggest winning pots!:
    just a little thing regarding sizing, if you want to set up stacks so that the money goes all in for a pot sized bet, take the size of the pot on the turn  away from the effective stacks, then divide it by three and you have your turn bet size. e.g. pot is 10 you have 36     36-10 =26 26/3 = 8.66   so 10+8.66+8.66 is 27.32 and your remaining sack is 36-8.66 = 27.34. (if anyone comments on me being out by .02 because of rounding i will stab them in the face) in hand 1 i think shoving the river is quite bad unless you absolutely think he will never fold an ace. you can overbet without shoving. you say you are surprised that when villain has A2 he doesnt lose all his money, when really he has a bluff catcher, this makes me think that you might be too focused on absolute hand values like "zomg i has straight arrr iiiiin" while villains range actually only consists of better hands or bluffs your straight is now a bluff catcher and not that good at all.(unless ur vs beaneh in which case it = nuts)
    Posted by LOL_RAISE




    YOU'RE 0.02% OUT MATE, YOU SHOULD CHECK UP ON YOUR ROUNDING ERRORS!! 

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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited July 2010
    actually its not a % its just a numerical value of 0.02, i am actually  100 - ((27.32/27.34)*100), which is about 0.07315 of a percent out, pwnt.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: 6 biggest winning pots!:
    actually its not a % its just a numerical value of 0.02, i am actually  100 - ((27.32/27.34)*100), which is about 0.07315 of a percent out, pwnt.
    Posted by LOL_RAISE

    LEVELLED OF COURSE I KNOW THAT LOL DURRRRR WAT R U STUPIDS OR SUMMINK 
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited July 2010

    my re-level worked out, success

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