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How to make useful notes on opponents

BananaDogBananaDog Member Posts: 1,390
edited July 2010 in The Poker Clinic
That's it really...anyone?
I find when i first started eva playing poker I would make notes...then months later i would click a note to find something like "omg..sooo annoying!"...ok well that was no help! hahahaha
Whilst I now make slightly better notes i sometimes find myself a little stuck as i dont have a good system to quickly jot things down to make sense to me later.

So...all note takers, please help us newbie note takers as it is obviously quiet important but so easy not to do.

Thanks :o)
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  • harvey23harvey23 Member Posts: 433
    edited July 2010
    notes on how they play there draws, bluffs, strong hands.

    when they pot 100% of pot compared to 50% pot.

    for example notes I may have on a player would be something like this

    c-c x3 OOP TPTK (check called all streets out of postion with top pair top kicker)

    I know now that they are not c-r with there tp hands OOP, so when i flop 2 pair or better I know to value bet bigger because there is more chance I am in front. the times they do c-raise me I can fold my weaker holdings because I know I will not be ahead.

    Notice how i shorted the note as well, you dont want long notes as they take too much time to read.
    also if you see someone stack off 100bb with hands like AJ or AQ, make a note, so you can 3bet call a shove lighter.

    dont make notes like "3bet AA", "call all in KK pre" because these are standard, and notes dont need to be written down.
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  • MereNoviceMereNovice Member Posts: 4,364
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: How to make useful notes on opponents:
    notes on how they play there draws, bluffs, strong hands. when they pot 100% of pot compared to 50% pot. for example notes I may have on a player would be something like this c-c x3 OOP TPTK (check called all streets out of postion with top pair top kicker) I know now that they are not c-r with there tp hands OOP, so when i flop 2 pair or better I know to value bet bigger because there is more chance I am in front. the times they do c-raise me I can fold my weaker holdings because I know I will not be ahead. Notice how i shorted the note as well, you dont want long notes as they take too much time to read. also if you see someone stack off 100bb with hands like AJ or AQ, make a note, so you can 3bet call a shove lighter. dont make notes like "3bet AA", "call all in KK pre" because these are standard, and notes dont need to be written down.
    Posted by harvey23
    Any notes based on how they play one hand are totally unreliable.
    Make notes with date and time stamps - people change over time.
    Also, people play the same hand in different ways.
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: How to make useful notes on opponents:
    In Response to Re: How to make useful notes on opponents : Any notes based on how they play one hand are totally unreliable. Make notes with date and time stamps - people change over time. Also, people play the same hand in different ways.
    Posted by MereNovice
    i agree with the date thing very important.

    however we aren't using notes as something to use as a cast iron read that villain xyz plays a NFD strong OOP or whatever.  we use them as an aid to a villains general tendencies.   they won't be right 100pc of the time, but we use them if they can give us an edge.  much like live tells.
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  • harvey23harvey23 Member Posts: 433
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: How to make useful notes on opponents:
    In Response to Re: How to make useful notes on opponents : Any notes based on how they play one hand are totally unreliable. Make notes with date and time stamps - people change over time. Also, people play the same hand in different ways.
    Posted by MereNovice
    you are giving medicore players too much credit.
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  • BananaDogBananaDog Member Posts: 1,390
    edited July 2010
    ok no arguing allowed on this thread! hahahaha
    ok, thanks for the reply Harvey, Merekat and Scott (and Logdon lol)...I find my notes can be a jumbled mess that I dont understand soometimes.
    I like the idea Harvey of shortening the notes with letters such as TPTK but I will deffo have to jot it down on a notepad also as I'll forget what the letters mean until I'm in the swing of it.
    Also Merekat and Scotty the time thing would be dead useful also as I found very odd notes that I must have put on here AGES ago by the way they were written and the player could now be playing totally different!
    I think notetaking can be so easy to miss so from today I am gonna try to get some sort of easy to use system to help when I'm in a sticky situation! lol

    Thanks again everyone x
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  • 35suited35suited Member Posts: 2,332
    edited July 2010
    As well as the date and time i like to put what game were playing, Just because i found someone to be playing a caertain way in the £2.20 t-o-t doesnt mean they will play the same way in the primo or a cash table or a dym
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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID Member Posts: 783
    edited July 2010
    I really need to improve on my note taking.

    They don't get much more detail in than FISH, whale etc.

    Was playing against a player the other day who I had a note on...

    And it was this....

    Tiny Turners Sister - Simply the Worst.

    Very useful :-)
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  • BananaDogBananaDog Member Posts: 1,390
    edited July 2010
    lol Clio that note is so funny!
    Logdon...think Id also prefer the £20 notes too!
    right...think a little sulk is in order before I go back to play, this poker stuff is soooo much fun but sooo frustrating at the same time!
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  • BananaDogBananaDog Member Posts: 1,390
    edited July 2010
    I actually have a poker mag upstairs with how to make notes section but it was sooooooooo complex it was just too much really to understand and to be able to easily look at and judge....urmmmm, thats it really, there was no other point, just thought I'd mention it! lol
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: How to make useful notes on opponents:
    I really need to improve on my note taking. They don't get much more detail in than FISH, whale etc. Was playing against a player the other day who I had a note on... And it was this.... Tiny Turners Sister - Simply the Worst. Very useful :-)
    Posted by CLIOKID

     I was watching a friend who'd recently got into poker and saw he had a note on someone and was like what's your read on him?

    He opened the note and it read, and I quote



    'LUCKIEST PLAYER ALIVE, ALWAYS HITS'




    I kid you not!
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  • spornybolspornybol Member Posts: 8,212
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: How to make useful notes on opponents:
    I actually have a poker mag upstairs with how to make notes section but it was sooooooooo complex it was just too much really to understand and to be able to easily look at and judge....urmmmm, thats it really, there was no other point, just thought I'd mention it! lol
    Posted by BananaDog
    it`s because of our age that we don`t get it, these younger ?????? giving us gobbly />????
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  • Donut64Donut64 Member Posts: 2,666
    edited July 2010
     Here are some notes you can have on me! Raises to often and is a doubting Thomas on the end so calls wide! :)
     Now I will have to try to change my game if I can! LOL
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited July 2010
    make notes on what cards they open/call and in what positions also try to identify the player as TAG,LAG,FISH etc this will help  with your hand reading
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: How to make useful notes on opponents:
    I really need to improve on my note taking. They don't get much more detail in than FISH, whale etc. Was playing against a player the other day who I had a note on... And it was this.... Tiny Turners Sister - Simply the Worst. Very useful :-)
    Posted by CLIOKID
    Haha.

    I bumped into my very first note on Sky two weeks ago on a NL4 table.

    The Note said

    "Hit four card flush with KK to beat my KK all money in pre, get em"

    I sat back and thought, wow i must have had too much to drink.
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  • offshootoffshoot Member Posts: 1,049
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: How to make useful notes on opponents:
    In Response to Re: How to make useful notes on opponents : Any notes based on how they play one hand are totally unreliable. Make notes with date and time stamps - people change over time. Also, people play the same hand in different ways.
    Posted by MereNovice
    have to disagree. I write notes as soon as i see someone play a hand a certain way. That information is all i have to go on so i will assume thats how they always play that hand/situation until proven otherwise. I rarely have to change notes on people.
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  • lynx3ffectlynx3ffect Member Posts: 452
    edited July 2010
    for the mediocre/recreational players using the notes thing i just try putting a few notes about their range from each position, i.e limp/calls utg suited conns, min raises TT+, doesnt 3 bet AK/KK/AA etc etc and then a few notes about specific hands like how they played a draw or a big made hand

    for regs get notepad up and write more detail as the note space on sky isnt enough
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited July 2010
    Ive never done the date thing, mainly bcoz multitabling it is near impossible to write even the smallest detail on this site.  Also, the notebox would get too crammed.  What I do though is if Ive got a note on someone, and they do the same thing, I will just write x2 at the end of the note.  This is more reliable than dates imo
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited July 2010
    Just to quickly ask a question. Sorry Bananadog, but its on subject.

    Has anyone ever taking notes on a player theyve met live? I watched a guy do it the other day at the casino, much rather like how Gus Hansen does it sometimes into that little radio thing.

    I later asked him if it helped him and he said he'd go home listen to it back and he has a whole book on players hes met. How they play, how to beat them etc.
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  • BananaDogBananaDog Member Posts: 1,390
    edited July 2010
    good question Don...ive never met anyone cos ive not played live but i bet a load of sky players have from the SPT thingies!
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited July 2010
    I have Neil Channing as a friend on facebook, dont know why, ive never met the guy, but he said he was in a tourney, and someone was making notes on players on their iphone.  He said he looked over, and the notes the guy had on him said `sick agro`, he said he was so proud lol
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