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2 hypothetical scenarios with no reads - pot odds? - "reverse pot odds"
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1)
6 max cash game, 20/40p - 6x 100bb stacks.
UTG+1 opens to £1.60.
Hero on the button raises to £4.80 with AK off.
Folded round to UTG+1 who min 4 bets - Im not sure what the min 4 bet wud be.....
How should the hero/would you.... react?
2)
6 max cash game, 20/40p - 6x 100bb stacks.
Folded round to Hero on the button.
Opens to £1.20 with Ace 9 off suit.
Sb folds
BB raises to £2.40.
How should the HERO/ would you.... react?
Been reading about reverse implied odds opening early position with hands that are easily domintated.
In the scenarios above, the range of hands unknown villains would be doing this with, are hands that absolutely crush my holdings, and hitting the flop, is probably the worst thing that could happen.
Is it reasonable to fold either, or both of the above scenarios, despite being offered almost unfoldable pot odds, and having position.
3) For Fun..
Hero opens with AK UTG for £1.20.
Button min raises, I believe this is £2.10.
Hero calls.
Flop K -7-2 Rainbow. (edited)
Hero leads £2
Villain snap min raises to £4
......How would you react?
Comments
Second one, meh... tough to say. I think I would call for image more than anything else- if you raise and fold to a small raise back at you, your raises don't have any power. Of course, you could fold knowing this and use it to your advantage, and tighten up your raising range considerably- but that may be picked up on too. Tough to say what hands on the flop I'd like in that situation though, there are a lot of kickers that have you crushed.
Third hand... I think I'd shove. Can't see what hand they have that has you crushed- A7 or A2 could have you dominated, and is possible I guess... but far more likely is a strong pp repping the A (88+) or an A with a weaker kicker- could be absolutely anything. Chance of a set too, but a flat there is more likely I think. Have to shove it, for me- if they fold great, if they call- I think you have them beat more often than not.
call hand 2 because i cant fold preflop
all hand 3 & dont fold
Using the range thing that offshoot explained on my other thread.......if someone opens In the cut off, for 4xbb, his range is quite wide - And I have good equity against his range
Therefore, with ace king on the button, you 3 bet for value coz you beat alot of his range?
When he 4 bets, you can narrow his range, for example to hands such as QQ+ and AKs, and therefore your equity in the hand has dropped......so you can make a decision?
Or have I turned my hand into a bluff? - and what's the difference between betting for value and then folding, to turning hands into bluffs?
Btw Im obviously asking, not telling, in what I say above, coz I dont understand....
I.e A2s,K4s as a 3bet is obviously for a bluff, and we are folding to a 4bet.
99+,Aq+, when you are 3betting these hands it is obviously for value against there range, before you think "im 3betting here", ask yourself what you are doing if they 4bet? If your going to fold you are putting hands like 99-JJ Aq/AK in your bluffing range which is bad and is a leak. i would rather flat call there raise if you plan on 3bet/folding these strong hands.
If you 3bet preimum hands, you should be happy enough to call off pre, if not just flat there raise.
In the scenarios above, the range of hands unknown villains would be doing this with, are hands that absolutely crush my holdings, and hitting the flop, is probably the worst thing that could happen.
what does this mean?
say a reg TAG opens UTG NL50 6Max, ok your on the button what hand would you rather call this raise with and why 78suited or KQ off???
this is regarding reversed implied odds