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c bet facing flop shove..........

donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
edited July 2010 in The Poker Clinic
what would you do here?

villain had been bit loose previously.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
xxx
 Small blind   £0.04 £0.04 £10.98
  Big blind   £0.08 £0.12 £7.32
  Big blind   £0.08 £0.20 £3.12
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • K
     
  Check        
  Fold        
donkeyplop Raise   £0.40 £0.60 £5.10

Fold        
xxx
 Call   £0.36 £0.96 £10.62
  Fold        
  Call   £0.32 £1.28 £2.80
Flop
   
  • 10
  • 10
  • A
     
xxx
 Check        
  Bet   £0.08 £1.36 £2.72
donkeyplop Raise   £1.16 £2.52 £3.94
xxx
 All-in   £10.62 £13.14 £0.00
  Fold        
donkeyplop ???
        
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited July 2010
    and another!!!!

    im obvs behind in this one but do i call hoping to make k high flush?

    one hand i folded one i called!

    what would all you high rollers do???
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    donkeyplop Small blind   £0.04 £0.04 £10.15
    xxx
    		 Big blind   £0.08 £0.12 £9.72
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
    		     
      Fold        

    		Call   £0.08 £0.20 £10.33
    donkeyplop Raise   £0.28 £0.48 £9.87
    xxx
    		 Call   £0.24 £0.72 £9.48
      Call   £0.24 £0.96 £10.09
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • 9
    • 7
    		     
    donkeyplop Bet   £0.48 £1.44 £9.39
    xxx
    		 All-in   £9.48 £10.92 £0.00
      Fold        
    donkeyplop ???
    		        
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2010
    Fold both. Also 1st hand you should have topped up.
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited July 2010
    yeah i know the first i should of topped up.

    i had taken a few hits in the last few hands was just about to top up.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2010

    Im not folding the first one!!!! :o

    I can't call fast enough!

    The second one is an easy fold though.......
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited July 2010
    thats good to here dohhhh as i called the first folded second..............
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: c bet facing flop shove..........:
    Im not folding the first one!!!! :o I can't call fast enough! The second one is an easy fold though.......
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    But doesn't it smell a bit fishy how he min-bets then shoves once the raise comes in, does he really have a worse Ace and do this ?
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited July 2010
    it was someone else who min bet!

    guy after me shoved.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: c bet facing flop shove..........:
    it was someone else who min bet! guy after me shoved.
    Posted by donkeyplop
    Oh yeah, didn't notice, well doesn't this make it an even easier fold. I'm no great player but I can't see why you would call, Doh can you explain why you would ?
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  • Patching99Patching99 Member Posts: 446
    edited July 2010

    I call first one but fold the second.  Infact think I just had an almost identical hand as the first one, i called, did a little dance then realised they flopped a full house.

    I'll go try find it now.

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  • Patching99Patching99 Member Posts: 446
    edited July 2010
    MrBen588 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £1.24
    swfc1867 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £1.79
    Hibs71 Big blind  £0.04 £0.10 £3.69
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
    		     
    blondynka7 Fold     
    Hibs71 Check     
    ffs Call  £0.04 £0.14 £5.05
    Patching99 Raise  £0.16 £0.30 £7.41
    MrBen588 Fold     
    swfc1867 Call  £0.12 £0.42 £1.67
    Hibs71 Fold     
    ffs Call  £0.12 £0.54 £4.93
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • A
    • A
    		     
    swfc1867 Bet  £0.08 £0.62 £1.59
    ffs Call  £0.08 £0.70 £4.85
    Patching99 Raise  £0.67 £1.37 £6.74
    swfc1867 Fold     
    ffs All-in  £4.85 £6.22 £0.00
    Patching99 Call  £4.26 £10.48 £2.48
    ffs Show
    • 3
    • 3
    		   
    Patching99 Show
    • Q
    • A
    		   
    Turn
       
    • 5
    		     
    River
       
    • 7
    		     
    ffs Win Full House, 3s and Aces £9.70  £9.70
    ok a bit different but close
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2010
    That's completely dfferent, ofcourse you're not folding trips there.
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  • Patching99Patching99 Member Posts: 446
    edited July 2010
    Yeah thought it was the same when I read the post but just realised there was two 10's on donkeys board not two aces.

    Must lay off the beers :-(
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: c bet facing flop shove..........:
    In Response to Re: c bet facing flop shove.......... : Oh yeah, didn't notice, well doesn't this make it an even easier fold. I'm no great player but I can't see why you would call, Doh can you explain why you would ?
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    No not really.

    Played online for 5 years, and I just call here.

    Never really had reasoning behind what I do, and always been  winning player.

    Now Im trying to understand why I do what I do, I aint winning newhere near as much as I used to.

    Im just calling, coz more times than not, Im winning, simple az - do something long enough, u get to no whats right/wrong instinctively I guess.
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: c bet facing flop shove..........:
    In Response to Re: c bet facing flop shove.......... : Oh yeah, didn't notice, well doesn't this make it an even easier fold. I'm no great player but I can't see why you would call, Doh can you explain why you would ?
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    not sure about dohhhhh?

    but my thinking was if the guy did have the 10 why would he go all in??

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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: c bet facing flop shove..........:
    In Response to Re: c bet facing flop shove.......... : not sure about dohhhhh? but my thinking was if the guy did have the 10 why would he go all in??
    Posted by donkeyplop
    Because he's playing against 2 short stackers and so any raise will get him pot committed anyway? Also there's possible flush/straight draws to protect against and also most players at the micro stakes struggle to fold a pair of aces so shove /> call here with a T imo.
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited July 2010
    this is what hapened.

    maybe the call was player dependent as he had called down all the streets with ace 4 vs jj 2 hands before!!!
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    xxx
    		 Small blind   £0.04 £0.04 £10.98
      Big blind   £0.08 £0.12 £7.32
      Big blind   £0.08 £0.20 £3.12
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
    		     
      Check        
      Fold        
    donkeyplop Raise   £0.40 £0.60 £5.10

    		Fold        
    xxx
    		 Call   £0.36 £0.96 £10.62
      Fold        
      Call   £0.32 £1.28 £2.80
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 10
    • A
    		     
    xxx
    		 Check        
      Bet   £0.08 £1.36 £2.72
    donkeyplop Raise   £1.16 £2.52 £3.94
    xxx
    		 All-in   £10.62 £13.14 £0.00
      Fold        
    donkeyplop All-in   £3.94 £17.08 £0.00
    xxx
    		 Unmatched bet   £5.52 £11.56 £5.52
    xxx
    		 Show
    • 6
    • A
    		     
    donkeyplop Show
    • A
    • K
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 4
    		     
    River
       
    • K
    		     
    donkeyplop Win Two Pairs, Aces and Kings £10.70   £10.70
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2010
    I guess you knew your fish well, but for me I'd probably still fold, probably too tight but it just looks like a ten trying to kill the hand here, hoping to get called by Ax.
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