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Do you bet for value on the river?

DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
edited August 2010 in The Poker Clinic

And if so, how much?

Also, how do you react to...

a) a check min raise from villain?
b) a check/shove from the villain?

My only note on this guy is that he's abit of a station, and to overprice on draws. He also limp, raised me with pre flop, which is useless info in this spot.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
xxxSmall blind  £0.15 £0.15 £42.60
BobaFett11 Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £27.19
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • K
     
argo Fold     
paulscar Fold     
Ratboy71 Fold     
DOHHHHHHH Raise  £1.20 £1.65 £95.78
xxx Call  £1.05 £2.70 £41.55
BobaFett11 Fold     
Flop
   
  • Q
  • 7
  • A
     
xxxCheck     
DOHHHHHHH Bet  £2.03 £4.73 £93.75
xxxCall  £2.03 £6.76 £39.52
Turn
   
  • J
     
xxxCheck     
DOHHHHHHH Bet  £3.90 £10.66 £89.85
xxxCall  £3.90 £14.56 £35.62
River
   
  • Q
     
xxxCheck     
DOHHHHHHH
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  • scrumdownscrumdown Member Posts: 1,609
    edited August 2010
    i bet same amount as u did the turn if he comes over the top i fold  u only got ace  if chasing his flush he fold
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited August 2010
    If he's a station, is he a big enough station to call down with 2nd pair or is good draws his limit. If I bet here what does he call with, A10/9/8, I would bet about £7 then fold to shove or reraise.

    Plus you have Ace spades so he can't have had TP + FD, maybe K9 spades. It's either worse Ace or a busted draw that won't pay u anyway.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited August 2010
    bet £5, if he has a draw will fold if he has a hand will call. looks like a draw to me cant see him calling unless he has a worse ace at least. if he re-raises that be a tough decision for you but usually ur instinct is correct so go with the gut
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    just do the perfect move everytime!
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited August 2010
    Depends if you have him beat or not ;)
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited August 2010
    I probably check inbehind mate. If ive got him beat the pot is worth taking down. If hes hit a Q or maybe evan AQ early we're only losing more.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2010

    Yeh I made a mistake here by value betting, he check raised me, and he had jack queen in the end, I had to fold.

    Obviously you should try and do the perfect thing every time.

    I just wondered what others would do in this situation.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Do you bet for value on the river?:
    Yeh I made a mistake here by value betting, he check raised me, and he had jack queen in the end, I had to fold. Obviously you should try and do the perfect thing every time. I just wondered what others would do in this situation.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    lol this is a clear value bet fold, you need to bet small because of the hands you're targetting. 

    the perfect line wasn't to bet call.

    ah well gonna have to settle for a buyin less than 18k this year. nightmare.
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Do you bet for value on the river?:
    In Response to Re: Do you bet for value on the river? : lol this is a clear value bet fold, you need to bet small because of the hands you're targetting.  the perfect line wasn't to bet call. ah well gonna have to settle for a buyin less than 18k this year. nightmare.
    Posted by beaneh
    this is perfect play

    bet size is key here
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2010

    Yeh I thought as much, I obviously mis-read the guys hand, play with him loads too, and make notes on all the big pots I watch, and Ive never seen him check raise the river before. wp.

    He had JQ it was shown on TV last night.

    Bet sizing? - do u agree with the size of the bet?

    + 6 buy in session yest, + 9xbi on tuesday, and + 7 on thursday

    22 buy ins up in 3 days, + £50 bonus/RB = £710 week

    Happy days.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    rtc Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £42.60
    BobaFett11 Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £27.19
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
    		     
    argo Fold     
    paulscar Fold     
    Ratboy71 Fold     
    DOHHHHHHH Raise  £1.20 £1.65 £95.78
    rtc Call  £1.05 £2.70 £41.55
    BobaFett11 Fold     
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • 7
    • A
    		     
    rtc Check     
    DOHHHHHHH Bet  £2.03 £4.73 £93.75
    rtc Call  £2.03 £6.76 £39.52
    Turn
       
    • J
    		     
    rtc Check     
    DOHHHHHHH Bet  £3.90 £10.66 £89.85
    rtc Call  £3.90 £14.56 £35.62
    River
       
    • Q
    		     
    rtc Check     
    DOHHHHHHH Bet  £7.28 £21.84 £82.57
    rtc All-in  £35.62 £57.46 £0.00
    DOHHHHHHH Fold     
    rtc Muck     
    rtc Win  £27.67  £27.67
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited August 2010
    lazy half pot button clicker, bets ok
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Do you bet for value on the river?:
    In Response to Re: Do you bet for value on the river? : this is perfect play bet size is key here
    Posted by N1CK

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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    River is a bet of <=to the turn imo
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  • offshootoffshoot Member Posts: 1,049
    edited August 2010
    if were being results orientated then i would advise just check folding turn in future.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Do you bet for value on the river?:
    if were being results orientated then i would advise just check folding turn in future.
    Posted by offshoot

    that's the perfect play 100/100 times imo
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2010

    I aint good enough to do that yet couldn't put him on JQ.

    Room for improvement for sureeeeeeeee
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited August 2010
    played fine JJ, at least shows u do have a fold button and right to use it here :P

    Others are really annoying of late. stop going on about it he was just saying previously wasnt telling porkies or bragging just making a point
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Do you bet for value on the river?:
    played fine JJ, at least shows u do have a fold button and right to use it here :P Others are really annoying of late. stop going on about it he was just saying previously wasnt telling porkies or bragging just making a point
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN

    Saying I always win and win lots cos i'm amazing and always make the perfect play is essentially bragging.

    Also we are helping him by trying to explain to him just how much of a heater he is on. 
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Do you bet for value on the river?:
    In Response to Re: Do you bet for value on the river? : Saying I always win and win lots cos i'm amazing and always make the perfect play is essentially bragging. Also we are helping him by trying to explain to him just how much of a heater he is on. 
    Posted by beaneh

    Pshhhhhh I wish !!!

    I said perfection is possible, and thats what I strive for in each individual situation.

    No-where did I ever say I was perfect. The hand in this thread is an example. :(

    The whole idea of poker is to make the right decisions, get as close to 100% decisions right as u can, sureeeeely?
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Do you bet for value on the river?:
    In Response to Re: Do you bet for value on the river? : Pshhhhhh I wish !!! I said perfection is possible, and thats what I strive for in each individual situation. No-where did I ever say I was perfect. The hand in this thread is an example. :( The whole idea of poker is to make the right decisions, get as close to 100% decisions right as u can, sureeeeely?
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    You make it seem like your the first person trying to make the right move?

    have we all been inadvertently trying to make the wrong move, is that where were going wrong?
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