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Big, 1 session downswing. Coolers or spew, you decide.

OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
edited August 2010 in The Poker Clinic
Well, after some big up and down swings over the last few days, last nights session couldnt be recovered.  Went pretty bad tbh.  Down just short of 10 buyins at 50 nl.
I have searched hands losses more than £20, and have found 10.  A lot I know.  Apologies to Harvey in advance lol.
If you can be bothered, plz comment.
kyle20 Small blind  £0.20 £0.20 £45.02
OMahonyO Big blind  £0.40 £0.60 £51.22
  Your hole cards
  • 9
  • 10
     
zxsprn Fold     
blackbeltb Fold     
cozzylad26 Call  £0.40 £1.00 £16.29
_4JACKS Call  £0.40 £1.40 £69.89
kyle20 Call  £0.20 £1.60 £44.82
OMahonyO Check     
Flop
   
  • 8
  • K
  • Q
     
kyle20 Check     
OMahonyO Check     
cozzylad26 Check     
_4JACKS Check     
Turn
   
  • J
     
kyle20 Check     
OMahonyO Bet  £1.60 £3.20 £49.62
cozzylad26 Raise  £3.20 £6.40 £13.09
_4JACKS Call  £3.20 £9.60 £66.69
kyle20 Fold     
OMahonyO All-in  £49.62 £59.22 £0.00
cozzylad26 All-in  £13.09 £72.31 £0.00
_4JACKS All-in  £66.69 £139.00 £0.00
_4JACKS Unmatched bet  £18.67 £120.33 £18.67
OMahonyO Show
  • 9
  • 10
   
cozzylad26 Show
  • J
  • K
   
_4JACKS Show
  • A
  • 10
   
River
   
  • 3
     
_4JACKS Win Flush to the Ace £118.53  £137.20
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited August 2010
    2
    DazTheBH Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £20.75
    OMahonyO Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £113.82
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • K
    		     
    mrmike Fold     
    edders Raise  £2.00 £2.75 £66.89
    jdeanzy Fold     
    5toneFace Fold     
    DazTheBH Fold     
    OMahonyO Call  £1.50 £4.25 £112.32
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 4
    • A
    		     
    OMahonyO Bet  £3.00 £7.25 £109.32
    edders Call  £3.00 £10.25 £63.89
    Turn
       
    • 8
    		     
    OMahonyO Bet  £7.69 £17.94 £101.63
    edders Call  £7.69 £25.63 £56.20
    River
       
    • 4
    		     
    OMahonyO Bet  £25.63 £51.26 £76.00
    edders Call  £25.63 £76.89 £30.57
    OMahonyO Show
    • J
    • K
    		   
    edders Show
    • 9
    • A
    		   
    edders Win Two Pairs, Aces and 4s £75.09  £105.66
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited August 2010
    3
    craigieboy Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £65.18
    5toneFace Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £49.50
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
    		     
    okcay4 Call  £0.50 £1.25 £77.60
    driver258 Raise  £2.00 £3.25 £20.46
    OMahonyO Call  £2.00 £5.25 £49.02
    ELMAFUDGE Fold     
    craigieboy Fold     
    5toneFace Call  £1.50 £6.75 £48.00
    okcay4 Call  £1.50 £8.25 £76.10
    Flop
       
    • J
    • 4
    • Q
    		     
    5toneFace Check     
    okcay4 Check     
    driver258 Check     
    OMahonyO Bet  £6.19 £14.44 £42.83
    5toneFace Call  £6.19 £20.63 £41.81
    okcay4 Fold     
    driver258 Call  £6.19 £26.82 £14.27
    Turn
       
    • 2
    		     
    5toneFace Check     
    driver258 Check     
    OMahonyO Bet  £20.12 £46.94 £22.71
    5toneFace Fold     
    driver258 All-in  £14.27 £61.21 £0.00
    OMahonyO Unmatched bet  £5.85 £55.36 £28.56
    driver258 Show
    • K
    • A
    		   
    OMahonyO Show
    • Q
    • A
    		   
    River
       
    • K
    		     
    driver258 Win Pair of Kings £53.56  £53.56
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited August 2010
    4
    5toneFace Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £49.75
    cyberdog Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £31.90
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
    		     
    OMahonyO Raise  £2.00 £2.75 £47.07
    mrmike Fold     
    ljb1989 Fold     
    jdeanzy Call  £2.00 £4.75 £32.34
    5toneFace Raise  £7.75 £12.50 £42.00
    cyberdog Fold     
    OMahonyO Call  £6.00 £18.50 £41.07
    jdeanzy Fold     
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • Q
    • 3
    		     
    5toneFace Check     
    OMahonyO Check     
    Turn
       
    • 6
    		     
    5toneFace Bet  £10.00 £28.50 £32.00
    OMahonyO All-in  £41.07 £69.57 £0.00
    5toneFace Call  £31.07 £100.64 £0.93
    5toneFace Show
    • Q
    • Q
    		   
    OMahonyO Show
    • K
    • K
    		   
    River
       
    • 4
    		     
    5toneFace Win Three Queens £98.84  £99.77
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited August 2010
    5
    jd44 Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £58.64
    jdeanzy Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £29.35
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
    		     
    foxhat Raise  £1.50 £2.25 £74.41
    auldyin Fold     
    OMahonyO Raise  £4.50 £6.75 £57.19
    jd44 Fold     
    jdeanzy Fold     
    foxhat Call  £3.00 £9.75 £71.41
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • 4
    • 10
    		     
    foxhat Check     
    OMahonyO Check     
    Turn
       
    • A
    		     
    foxhat Bet  £9.75 £19.50 £61.66
    OMahonyO Raise  £19.50 £39.00 £37.69
    foxhat All-in  £61.66 £100.66 £0.00
    OMahonyO All-in  £37.69 £138.35 £0.00
    foxhat Unmatched bet  £14.22 £124.13 £14.22
    foxhat Show
    • 10
    • 10
    		   
    OMahonyO Show
    • A
    • K
    		   
    River
       
    • 6
    		     
    foxhat Win Three 10s £122.33  £136.55
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited August 2010
    6
    rats107 Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £46.50
    jdeanzy Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £64.08
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • A
    		     
    payray10 Raise  £1.00 £1.75 £139.25
    OMahonyO Raise  £3.50 £5.25 £40.84
    Bad_Borneo Fold     
    valhalla Call  £3.50 £8.75 £30.15
    rats107 Fold     
    jdeanzy Fold     
    payray10 Raise  £5.00 £13.75 £134.25
    OMahonyO Call  £2.50 £16.25 £38.34
    valhalla Call  £2.50 £18.75 £27.65
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • A
    • 8
    		     
    payray10 Bet  £9.38 £28.13 £124.87
    OMahonyO All-in  £38.34 £66.47 £0.00
    valhalla All-in  £27.65 £94.12 £0.00
    payray10 Fold     
    OMahonyO Unmatched bet  £10.69 £83.43 £10.69
    OMahonyO Show
    • K
    • A
    		   
    valhalla Show
    • 10
    • A
    		   
    Turn
       
    • 9
    		     
    River
       
    • 5
    		     
    valhalla Win Two Pairs, Aces and 10s £81.63  £81.63
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited August 2010
    7
    OMahonyO Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £49.25
    lew365 Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £31.16
    statlanta Big blind  £0.50 £1.25 £49.50
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
    		     
    statlanta Check     
    tallboy Fold     
    Rigby Fold     
    5toneFace Raise  £2.50 £3.75 £63.39
    OMahonyO Raise  £8.25 £12.00 £41.00
    lew365 Fold     
    statlanta Fold     
    5toneFace Raise  £18.00 £30.00 £45.39
    OMahonyO All-in  £41.00 £71.00 £0.00
    5toneFace Call  £29.00 £100.00 £16.39
    OMahonyO Show
    • Q
    • Q
    		   
    5toneFace Show
    • K
    • K
    		   
    Flop
       
    • 6
    • 2
    • 4
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 5
    		     
    River
       
    • 10
    		     
    5toneFace Win Pair of Kings £98.20  £114.59
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited August 2010
    8
    payray10 Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £37.53
    5toneFace Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £114.91
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • J
    		     
    OMahonyO Raise  £2.00 £2.75 £49.19
    valhalla Call  £2.00 £4.75 £47.09
    jdeanzy Fold     
    payray10 Fold     
    5toneFace Fold     
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • K
    • 2
    		     
    OMahonyO Bet  £3.50 £8.25 £45.69
    valhalla Call  £3.50 £11.75 £43.59
    Turn
       
    • 4
    		     
    OMahonyO Check     
    valhalla Bet  £5.88 £17.63 £37.71
    OMahonyO Call  £5.88 £23.51 £39.81
    River
       
    • 7
    		     
    OMahonyO Check     
    valhalla Bet  £11.76 £35.27 £25.95
    OMahonyO Call  £11.76 £47.03 £28.05
    valhalla Show
    • K
    • 10
    		   
    OMahonyO Muck
    • J
    • J
    		   
    valhalla Win Pair of Kings £45.23  £71.18
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited August 2010
    9
    payray10 Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £22.99
    5toneFace Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £115.69
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • A
    		     
    OMahonyO Raise  £2.00 £2.75 £51.54
    mallyane Fold     
    goodylad21 Fold     
    jdeanzy Call  £2.00 £4.75 £26.41
    payray10 Raise  £3.25 £8.00 £19.74
    5toneFace Fold     
    OMahonyO All-in  £51.54 £59.54 £0.00
    jdeanzy Fold     
    payray10 All-in  £19.74 £79.28 £0.00
    OMahonyO Unmatched bet  £30.30 £48.98 £30.30
    payray10 Show
    • Q
    • J
    		   
    OMahonyO Show
    • K
    • A
    		   
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • 8
    • Q
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 5
    		     
    River
       
    • 4
    		     
    payray10 Win Flush to the Queen £47.18  £47.18
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited August 2010
    10
    KAYLES836 Small blind  £0.20 £0.20 £32.85
    Cyclob Sitout     
    tech34 Big blind  £0.40 £0.60 £53.64
    locksbluey Sit out     
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
    		     
    JOESKI81 Call  £0.40 £1.00 £14.33
    OMahonyO Raise  £1.60 £2.60 £26.34
    KAYLES836 Call  £1.40 £4.00 £31.45
    tech34 Fold     
    JOESKI81 Call  £1.20 £5.20 £13.13
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 5
    • 8
    		     
    KAYLES836 Check     
    JOESKI81 Check     
    OMahonyO Bet  £3.90 £9.10 £22.44
    KAYLES836 Call  £3.90 £13.00 £27.55
    JOESKI81 Fold     
    Turn
       
    • 3
    		     
    KAYLES836 Check     
    OMahonyO Bet  £9.75 £22.75 £12.69
    KAYLES836 All-in  £27.55 £50.30 £0.00
    OMahonyO All-in  £12.69 £62.99 £0.00
    KAYLES836 Unmatched bet  £5.11 £57.88 £5.11
    KAYLES836 Show
    • 5
    • A
    		   
    OMahonyO Show
    • K
    • K
    		   
    River
       
    • 7
    		     
    KAYLES836 Win Three 5s £56.08  £61.19
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited August 2010

    Blimey thats long, think a mixture but here's how i see it:
    1) Bet pot on flop, on turn silly all in if no reads you have nut straight someone could easily have also backdoor flush draw and 2 people in the pot still against 1 i dont mind it but your hands not going to hold up against 2 with these draws more often then not
    2)Bet more flop, after that gets called maybe can fire out turn again at most but think you should be trying to get out after this gets called
    3) Unlucky played fine - Cooler
    4) Dont understand why you checked the flop? either way they all going in here so no getting away

    5) In position fire out on flop to find out  as you have missed you want to find out how strong your opponent is, as played impossible to put him on 10s as you didnt ask a question on the flop.
    6) Unlucky- cooler
    7) His Re-raise screams how strong he is here, but dont think you could get away from it as pretty commited. only way you can fold queens pre is depending on your reads or against a couple of people who have shoved
    8) Bet more flop, bet turn, check/fold river if played this way more chance would get check down as much stronger play. As played looks really week with check call on turn and then check river
    9) Unlucky as got money in good but still think this may be tilt inflicted as AK pre not really a good move imo
    10) Raise more flop, dunno whether could get away from it again thats player dependant and your instinct whether they have the 5

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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited August 2010
    Ok, gonna try and take these one at a time :)

    Hand 1

    More or less a cooler but I'm not too sure about your overbet 3bet jam on the turn.  I understand there are two flush draws out there as well as some straight draws so you need to protect your hand and I like your initial bet.  The answer we get back is a min raise and a flat behind the raiser after a preflop and flop action where no one's showed too much aggression.  I'm now wondering if the villains have some two pair combo, a slow played set of eights, flush draw or the AT.  I don't jam but I put in a decent bet (up to 10 quid on top).  The way the play has gone I can see both players going all in to this bet.  I'm not saying I'm definitely getting away from this hand but the alarm bells for AT will now be ringing loudly with so much action against me in an unraised preflop pot.  Some times I'll make a fold but sometimes I'll pay off here.
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  • freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited August 2010
    1,what is the overbet on the turn about? i think your trying to get rid of flush draws, am i right? most of the time your only getting called when your beat. me, i flat turn and call off 2/3 pot bet on river but i will fold to overbet on river.

    2,dont donk bet, c/raise it looks stronger on flop.  not many draws are out so when he calls turn its obv he has made hand so river is spewy, hope you made a note calls down light.

    3,donk bet again, why? i am rr pre with the early pos limp to get it HU.

    4,get it in pre.

    5,c bet £7 on flop if he rr then fold if he flats im stacking off on turn.

    6,you only have £38 left after the call pre, i am shoving the lot in pre coz its suited, haha.

    7,cooler?  he sees you as a nit so when he 4 bets pre he dont have JJ.

    8,as played, do i call river bet? prob hoping he has missed flush.

    9,beat.

    10,i do same, hehe.
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited August 2010
    1) id make it 15 on turn, betting flop as young gun said is pretty bad in 4way pot oop.
    2)i really dont get the donk bet line, but when he calls 2 streets on dry board he always has Ax minimum and trying to get people to fold TP at small stakes isnt going to work.
    3) run better
    4) i dont get your overbet shove on turn again. when he checks flop his hand looks like AK,99-JJ if u shove turn hes going to fold them all unless you have history of a hero calling tendency.
    5) dont like your minraise. either flat or raise properly depending on villain
    6) 4bet/c pre all the time.
    7) stack off then make a note about his terrible bet sizing.
    8) bet/f or c/f turn depending on how villain plays draws / floats cbets alot etc. ( almost always the worst line you can possibly take is to c/c.)
    9) see 3).
    10) with your stack size i see no other option.
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited August 2010
    Thanks for advice and replies,

    Next question, Those 10 hands cost me ~£380, how much would you have lost in the same situations
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  • zingzing Member Posts: 333
    edited August 2010
    why do you care what others would lose in the same spots so you can reinforce you ran bad? ran bad and played bad mind you.

    look back at the hands yourself and read the analysis given then give yourself a figure of what you should of lost and why you played certain hands the way you did and correct it for when the spots come up again.

    people telling you i would of lost/won X amount will be of no help and it's rather pointless
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Big, 1 session downswing. Coolers or spew, you decide.:
    [QUOTE]why do you care what others would lose in the same spots so you can reinforce you ran bad? ran bad and played bad mind you. look back at the hands yourself and read the analysis given then give yourself a figure of what you should of lost and why you played certain hands the way you did and correct it for when the spots come up again. people telling you i would of lost/won X amount will be of no help and it's rather pointless
    Posted by zing


    How is that reinforcng I ran bad?
    In fact, my reasons are  for the exact opposite.  I know I played some of those hands badly and will look into it.
    If someone says they would have lost £150 in that situation, then I know Ive got big leaks.
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited August 2010
    cba to do maths, i would have won bout tree fiddy
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  • zingzing Member Posts: 333
    edited August 2010
    the analysis above shows you've got leaks you don't need someone to tell what they would of lost which will be ridiculously inaccurate anyway because no-one else knows the dynamics and different reads you have in the hands posted.

    edit: please don't start three fiddy craze here gawddd
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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID Member Posts: 783
    edited August 2010

    Hand 1:

    I really don’t like the jam, make it like £14 and then consider a fold if you get an all-in. The flatting of the 3-bet is quite suspicious by villain 2.

    Hand 2:

    Do you usually donk out with an ace? I wouldn’t mind the donk out with like a set of 4’s or something when you know the guy is likely to call 3 streets with Ax but the 3rd barrel here seems a bit of a spew, i know the player in question and know you aint getting him off A anything so I’m assuming you are readless here.

    Hand 3:

    Played find, just very unlucky

    Hand 4:

    I don’t like this hand. I 4-bet pre like 95% of time, if you are going to slow play like you did I don’t get the turn shove as you fold out too many hands that you beat that he could calal smaller bets with as you are under repped. Obv unlucky still though. 

    Hand 5:

    Pre is fine.

    I’m flatting that turn all-day long though. Your hand is almost face-up as AK so when he leads out into you on the A high turn does that not send off alarm bells, as it’s kind of obvious what you have so why is he leading out into it? I flat turn and flat river.

     

    Hand 6:

    Bigger 3-bet pre IMO and stack off on flop still, ul.

    Hand 7:

    Bit of a cooler button v blinds, tough one to get away from.

    Hand 8.

    Fold river, the guy is a fish and not a bluffer. Played fine other than that.

    Hand 9:

    Nothing wrong with it, ul.

    Hand 10:

    Pretty gross, I’ll occasionally check turn and either flat river or make value bet if they check. But alot of the time I’m going broke here too.

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  • goodylad21goodylad21 Member Posts: 693
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Big, 1 session downswing. Coolers or spew, you decide.:
    Thanks for advice and replies, Next question, Those 10 hands cost me ~£380, how much would you have lost in the same situations
    Posted by OMahonyO

    I would of saved about £90, on hands 2, 6 & 8 and probably a few quid on hand 1 !!

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