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this sums up my week!!! am i playing these bad or just being real unlucky right now?

donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
edited August 2010 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
  Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £2.90
  Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £3.98
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • Q
     
  Fold        
  Raise   £0.12 £0.18 £2.72
  Fold        
donkeyplop Raise   £0.44 £0.62 £4.17
  Fold        
  Fold        
  Call   £0.32 £0.94 £2.40
Flop
   
  • 4
  • 6
  • 9
     
  Check        
donkeyplop Bet   £0.47 £1.41 £3.70
  Call   £0.47 £1.88 £1.93
Turn
   
  • 7
     
  Check        
donkeyplop Bet   £1.88 £3.76 £1.82
  All-in   £1.93 £5.69 £0.00
donkeyplop Call   £0.05 £5.74 £1.77
  Show
  • 10
  • 8
     
donkeyplop Show
  • Q
  • Q
     
River
   
  • 5
     
  Win Straight to the 10 £5.31   £5.31
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2010

    Bet more on the flop - half pot bets at these levels arent gonna work you want as much money in as quickly as possible, 3/4 pot at least.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited August 2010
    Something i experemented with today Donkeyplop which i found very effective Pot bets often get opponents off these types of hands, i know you realy want these players chasing, but at NL4 Make em pay the max for it. If they fold then so be it, get em next time, if they hit it, you got it in good.
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited August 2010
    just got no confidence at the moment think im going to have to go back to the darkside and play some dyms lol
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: this sums up my week!!! am i playing these bad or just being real unlucky right now?:
    just got no confidence at the moment think im going to have to go back to the darkside and play some dyms lol
    Posted by donkeyplop
    Hmmm my friend i watched you play with me last night, you played well. You even spiked the case J to take down my A10 after shoving into me, im not sure if you where playing me at the time or if you thought stuff it or just didnt believe i had an ace but you done it all the same, you seemed really cheerful. Remember the good times, you got me off tilt, well with the help of a small erm... well you remember the coversation. 

    Have confidence my friend. You have the ability. 
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  • GavinxxxxGavinxxxx Member Posts: 559
    edited August 2010
    I personally can't see much wrong with how you played that hand, just got unlucky
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited August 2010
    how about this one.

    was on tilt and yes again half pot flop bet but surely you cant assume hes flopped flush everytime?

    not sure why i shoved the turn either??? frustration maybe?
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
      Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £5.21
      Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £2.11
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • J
    		     
      Call   £0.04 £0.10 £1.80
      Fold        
      Fold        
    donkeyplop Raise   £0.16 £0.26 £3.82
      Fold        
      Call   £0.12 £0.38 £1.99
      Call   £0.12 £0.50 £1.68
    Flop
       
    • 9
    • 10
    • K
    		     
      Check        
      Check        
    donkeyplop Bet   £0.50 £1.00 £3.32
      Fold        
      Call   £0.50 £1.50 £1.18
    Turn
       
    • K
    		     
      Check        
    donkeyplop All-in   £3.32 £4.82 £0.00
      All-in   £1.18 £6.00 £0.00
    donkeyplop Unmatched bet   £2.14 £3.86 £2.14
      Show
    • 8
    • A
    		     
    donkeyplop Show
    • K
    • J
    		     
    River
       
    • 6
    		     
      Win Flush to the Ace £3.58   £3.58
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  • GavinxxxxGavinxxxx Member Posts: 559
    edited August 2010
    I think you have to bet that flop, at least to just see where you are, very unlikely  for somebody to just flop the flush but again in this case just unlucky. Hope your luck changes soon :)
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2010

    The second one is played fine, bet pot on the flop and put him in on the turn.

    Was just ul.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited August 2010
    The second one id prefer to see nearer 20p pre flop. Flop is fine, the call you should see as a warning lite, straights avalible too. After that im not sure.
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited August 2010
    second hand hed been a bit spewey before i put him on nut flush draw i was nearly right lol.

    thats why i shoved i thought he was chasing!!

    it seems im just getting some crucial decisions wrong right now.



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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2010

    The 2nd hand I can assure u DP u did nothing wrong.

    Look at his stack on the turn - he has less than a pot sized bet remaining, and even if he has the flush, you have alot of outs.
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited August 2010
    tried a £3 dym! card dead thought id call his shove as i was short!

    on the bubble!

    yes im ahead on flop! oh nasty turn :(

    yes ace 7 not great to call shove but i was short too and if it held i would of cashed.

    i must of broke a mirror or something :)
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    donkeyplop Big blind   200.00 200.00 1085.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • 7
    		     
      Raise   1200.00 1400.00 175.00
      Fold        

    		Fold        
    donkeyplop Call   1000.00 2400.00 85.00
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • 4
    • 2
    		     
    donkeyplop All-in   85.00 2485.00 0.00
      Call   85.00 2570.00 90.00
    donkeyplop Show
    • A
    • 7
    		     
      Show
    • K
    • J
    		     
    Turn
       
    • K
    		     
    River
       
    • 2
    		     
      Win Two Pairs, Kings and 2s 2570.00   2660.00
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited August 2010
    1st hand bet 80p, 2nd hand cooler.
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited August 2010
    whats frustrating with the first hand is i 3 bet him and he still called with 10 8 off suit!!
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited August 2010
    VUL with the A7 hand mate, although ill be honest in saying get a better spot to be the shover but i understand the call.
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited August 2010
    bet size in first hand is fine, maybe 5-10p more at maximum, 2nd hand you actually bet pot on the flop which is fine.

    it should be quite clear that you should be betting smaller in hand 1 than in hand 2, and it doesnt have that much to do with the cards youare holding
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited August 2010
    hey dohhhhhh and the_don90 i took your advice!!

    so 5xbb raise pre!

    more than pot bet on flop!

    yes got ya!! kk v jj

    oh wait runner runner straight ;)

    kick me while im down!!

    (these posts are very tongue in cheek as i understand variance but you have to laugh dont u?)
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
      Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £0.95
    donkeyplop Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £5.39
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
    		     
      Call   £0.04 £0.10 £3.33
      Fold        
      Call   £0.04 £0.14 £1.12

    		Fold        
      Fold        
    donkeyplop Raise   £0.20 £0.34 £5.19
      Fold        
      Call   £0.20 £0.54 £0.92
    Flop
       
    • 9
    • 7
    • 6
    		     
    donkeyplop Bet   £0.60 £1.14 £4.59
      All-in   £0.92 £2.06 £0.00
    donkeyplop Call   £0.32 £2.38 £4.27
    donkeyplop Show
    • K
    • K
    		     
      Show
    • J
    • J
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 10
    		     
    River
       
    • 8
    		     
      Win Straight to the Jack £2.21   £2.21
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited August 2010

    must be a new week as my lucks turned at last!

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    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
      Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £1.62
      Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £1.48
      Your hole cards
    • 4
    • 4
    		     
      Call   £0.04 £0.10 £0.74
      Raise   £0.08 £0.18 £1.98
    donkeyplop Call   £0.08 £0.26 £3.90

    		Call   £0.08 £0.34 £3.29
      Call   £0.06 £0.40 £1.56
      Fold        
      Call   £0.04 £0.44 £0.70
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 4
    • A
    		     
      Check        
      Bet   £0.04 £0.48 £0.66
      Fold        
    donkeyplop Raise   £0.30 £0.78 £3.60
      Call   £0.30 £1.08 £2.99
      Fold        
      Call   £0.26 £1.34 £0.40
    Turn
       
    • 6
    		     
      Check        
    donkeyplop Bet   £1.01 £2.35 £2.59
      Call   £1.01 £3.36 £1.98
      All-in   £0.40 £3.76 £0.00
    River
       
    • A
    		     
    donkeyplop All-in   £2.59 £6.35 £0.00
      All-in   £1.98 £8.33 £0.00
    donkeyplop Unmatched bet   £0.61 £7.72 £0.61
      Show
    • J
    • A
    		     
    donkeyplop Show
    • 4
    • 4
    		     
      Show
    • A
    • 10
    		     
    donkeyplop Win Full House, 4s and Aces £7.15   £7.76
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited August 2010
    KK perfect mate, just a sick out draw VUL.

    The 44. Played down to a tee how i would have played it. I dont imagine 23 is in the hand so bar a better set im ahead on the flop. The turn a little scary, but like you im going to take a chance (cant imagine what must have been going through your mind after constantly being outdrawn. Id have been naming every whole cards in the deck that could beat me) but we have outs all the same, bet is inch perfect screams of strenth to scare the  glory hunters away. Turn the FH and this was the well earned money card.

    Well done and perfectly played mate, keep playing like that and they will come less and less, im finding that and i was in the shoes your in only 2 days ago thinking when will these guys fold. But since i read N1CKs post and listening to forum members, mixed with the increase and confidence from the forum game i tightened and played more aggressive and its paying off.

    Good luck mate KUTGW
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