as i said patty on chat was a good thread :P i dont mind wp as you got it spot on, i should of folded when you re-raised the flop you definately had me beat.
still dont think i moaned said a couple words annoyed more at myself for my silly call by me anyway wp and i did stick around to try win back but was card dead (
In Response to Re: i got moaned at here by a certain player who uses this forum : You didn't beat me. I beat you... .....and the dealer beat me, which saved you Is your name Patricia? Posted by DOHHHHHHH
yes it is and your name is sherlock holmes i assume lol
as i said patty on chat was a good thread :P i dont mind wp as you got it spot on, i should of folded when you re-raised the flop you definately had me beat. still dont think i moaned said a couple words annoyed more at myself for my silly call by me anyway wp and i did stick around to try win back but was card dead ( Posted by YOUNG_GUN
i was card dead as well after it besides i was trying to watch the football at the same time lol
In Response to Re: i got moaned at here by a certain player who uses this forum : why i want to find out where i am on the flop so i check raise , raise is called the board pairs i put him on a multitude of hands ak,aq,aj or a pocket pair if he has overs pocket pair to the ten he isnt going to just call my raise he is going to jam me on the flop ,then i have to ask am i still in front, i dont think its bad play but if you do fair enough Posted by pattyk
Post flop is fine, but for me calling 5x in sb isn't great play as your OOP for rest of hand, also you could easily be dominated and play it out the exact same way. Losing play in the long run for me.
Also doh ofcourse you don't just wait for Aces but if she was on the button then you can say it's ok but in sb surely you can't say this is optimum play ?
I defend my big blind with king ten suited.....alot! 100xbb deep..... Pretty easy hand to play really at nl30 with passive opponents. Why do you call urself Patty and not Trisha? Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Dude - every hand is different. I don't buy into this "optimal play" thing,,,,,,
The optimal play changes according to the opponent in the hand.
Im very very comfortable playing out of position against the majority of players at nl30 (and therefore every level below) - I will back myself to outplay opponents both in and out of position with a wide range of hands, KT suited is well within this range.
Im not saying it's an obvious call - and I would never criticise anyone for folding king ten, at this level. Folding king ten on the button unraised - again, if you don't feel comfortable or believe you can play it from the button and show a profit, again, I wouldnt criticise.
I wouldn't advise beginners defend with KTs either - but at this level, you shud be starting to get confident playing flops with a wider range of hands, and look beyond the cards, playing players and situations.
I have been critical of one play patty made against me, which cost me a 500 bb pot (lol had to mention it again) - but I know she is capable of playing this hand in this position against this opponent, as she has proved in the hand above.
You have now! Dude - every hand is different. I don't buy into this "optimal play" thing,,,,,, The optimal play changes according to the opponent in the hand. Im very very comfortable playing out of position against the majority of players at nl30 (and therefore every level below) - I will back myself to outplay opponents both in and out of position with a wide range of hands, KT suited is well within this range. Im not saying it's an obvious call - and I would never criticise anyone for folding king ten, at this level. Folding king ten on the button unraised - again, if you don't feel comfortable or believe you can play it from the button and show a profit, again, I wouldnt criticise. I wouldn't advise beginners defend with KTs either - but at this level, you shud be starting to get confident playing flops with a wider range of hands, and look beyond the cards, playing players and situations. I have been critical of one play patty made against me, which cost me a 500 bb pot (lol had to mention it again) - but I know she is capable of playing this hand in this position against this opponent, as she has proved in the hand above. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
This says it all tbh, you are clearly a very good player who by your own admission has very good reading skills and doesn't nessacerily need the cards to beat players, but not everyone is the same. I think as a general rule calling 5x with K10s in sb is not great for the reasons i already siad and also Shanxta about getting into good habits, when you know the game well you can then start making moves and plays but at this level it is not needed.
I know patty is good enough to do so too though as I said at the end of my last post.
I wasn't trying to sound arrogant saying Im confident playing oop - I did say Im only confident doing this against passive nl30 players, any higher, and I'd probably get crushed trying to do this.
But as we are all trying to learn and improve, moving up the levels, there comes a time when you need to start opening up and playing a wider range from each position.
Anyway, to conclude the bb play was fine IMO - the 99, as the youngster admitted, was over-played and should have been mucked on the turn, unless the hero is a massive spew donk like me, in which case it's unfold-able
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still dont think i moaned said a couple words annoyed more at myself for my silly call by me anyway wp and i did stick around to try win back but was card dead
In Response to Re: i got moaned at here by a certain player who uses this forum:
yes it is and your name is sherlock holmes i assume lol
i was card dead as well after it besides i was trying to watch the football at the same time lol
Also doh ofcourse you don't just wait for Aces but if she was on the button then you can say it's ok but in sb surely you can't say this is optimum play ?
well i have never been called tricia
hope that clears that up lol