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Flop decision for stack

DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
edited August 2010 in The Poker Clinic

This guy seems to limp with suited connectors and small pairs.

He raises strong aces, and big pairs to 5xbb.

However this is the first sb/bb battle.....

Post flop, he always bets strong, close to pot, when he thinks he is good - he can semi bluff in the same way with big draws.

What wud u do on the flop?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
xxxSmall blind  £0.15 £0.15 £20.87
DOHHHHHHH Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £43.50
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • J
     
bluff1991 Fold     
theneons Fold     
xxxRaise  £1.35 £1.80 £19.52
DOHHHHHHH Raise  £4.60 £6.40 £38.90
xxxCall  £3.40 £9.80 £16.12
Flop
   
  • 2
  • Q
  • 4
     
xxxBet  £9.80 £19.60 £6.32
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    call
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2010
    Kool.

    That'll doooo donkey

    I think that he thinks than I have AK :)
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Flop decision for stack:
    Kool. That'll doooo donkey I think that he thinks than I have AK :)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    That'll do donkey?



    You're not much of a workplace motivator, I suggest you never lead a team of people they wont be impressed with your feedback.

    As is why on earth would you do anything else other than call?
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited August 2010
    No point just calling, shove of fold territory for sure seeing as he has 6 quid back.

    Bit of a puzzler to be honest, I'd want to know if he was good enough to flat your 3bet with AA or KK.  But then again would he Donk-bet here with these hands (i.e. is he good enough to?).  Feels like 9s or 10s to me so I shove it in and close my eyes without further information.

    Has he been three bet pre before?
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2010

    Ahhh its a line from shrek.

    With shrek's Scottish accent I was gonna spell it "donkeh" - but thought twice a it may look personal.

    And why wud I consider doing anything else? - As I sid above the hand, he bets pot "with it" or with draws, as it's the dryest board ever, I can rule out draws....

    So he must have a queen or a set?

    The call is just the same as a shove here really, unless he's got complete air, which he never has. We both put the rest in on the turn if I flat.

    I think he wud 4 bet pre with AA/KK tommy - only really worried about AQ/KQ, but his play suggests this is exactly what he has.... (or a set)
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    pot leading a set with no money back would be bad.


    call flop and give him the option to weird out and put it in on the turn with nothing.



    having 'it' on this board could easily be 77-JJ
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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID Member Posts: 783
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Flop decision for stack:
    Ahhh its a line from shrek. With shrek's Scottish accent I was gonna spell it "donkeh" - but thought twice a it may look personal. And why wud I consider doing anything else? - As I sid above the hand, he bets pot "with it" or with draws, as it's the dryest board ever, I can rule out draws.... So he must have a queen or a set? The call is just the same as a shove here really, unless he's got complete air, which he never has. We both put the rest in on the turn if I flat. I think he wud 4 bet pre with AA/KK tommy - only really worried about AQ/KQ, but his play suggests this is exactly what he has.... (or a set)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Why would he bet out with KQ or AQ though?

    For me if i'm in that spot the only way i'm making money is if i check and you bet with a worse hand?
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited August 2010
    I've got to agree with Beaneh and Clio.  If he's played with you for any length of time he'll know you are likely to bet here.  As I said before, I think he's got nines, tens or maybe the other two jacks.
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  • harvey23harvey23 Member Posts: 433
    edited August 2010
    your most likely ahead here, sets never gonna donk, AQ/KQ are prob gonna c-r.

    i just shove over the top here
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2010

    I got it in, he had queen 9 suited.

    btw this guy plays 14 tables at once, so no way did I expect him to have that hand.


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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID Member Posts: 783
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Flop decision for stack:
    I got it in, he had queen 9 suited. btw this guy plays 14 tables at once, so no way did I expect him to have that hand.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Ohhhh, it was HIM!

    I'm starting to hate that guy!
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Flop decision for stack:
    In Response to Re: Flop decision for stack : Ohhhh, it was HIM! I'm starting to hate that guy!
    Posted by CLIOKID

    I luvs him. Such a welcome addition.

    12-14 tables doesn't require such bad nitty play. but his choice lol.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2010

    haha might as well leave the name in next time.

    Wud u all still stack off?
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Flop decision for stack:
    haha might as well leave the name in next time. Wud u all still stack off?
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    i'm pretty sure his stack size would tilt me into doubling him up. if im playing well i'd snap fold the flop. I probably wouldn't 3 bet either fwiw.
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Flop decision for stack:
    In Response to Re: Flop decision for stack : i'm pretty sure his stack size would tilt me into doubling him up. if im playing well i'd snap fold the flop. I probably wouldn't 3 bet either fwiw.
    Posted by beaneh
    Surely if he's calling 3bets with hands like q9 we should always be 3betting for value?
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited August 2010
    I'm still stacking there despite him having Q9.  Reload and jump back into the action.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Flop decision for stack:
    In Response to Re: Flop decision for stack : Surely if he's calling 3bets with hands like q9 we should always be 3betting for value?
    Posted by yb

    He won't often be calling that imo, and I'd rather 3 bet lighter and call a bit stronger to balance things up for when we are playing lots of bvb situations.
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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID Member Posts: 783
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Flop decision for stack:
    In Response to Re: Flop decision for stack : I luvs him. Such a welcome addition. 12-14 tables doesn't require such bad nitty play. but his choice lol.
    Posted by beaneh
    For playing as many tables as he does surely he can't be nitty to be calling 3-bets oop with Q9?


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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Flop decision for stack:
    In Response to Re: Flop decision for stack : For playing as many tables as he does surely he can't be nitty to be calling 3-bets oop with Q9?
    Posted by CLIOKID

    w/e one hand means nothing.

    however bad the call pre is lol.

    maybe he knew he'd hit a queen and stack dohhs jacks?!

    potting is so bad that you just have to laugh really.
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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID Member Posts: 783
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Flop decision for stack:
    In Response to Re: Flop decision for stack : w/e one hand means nothing. however bad the call pre is lol. maybe he knew he'd hit a queen and stack dohhs jacks?! potting is so bad that you just have to laugh really.
    Posted by beaneh
    Oh yeah, the potting sucks, and it's non-stop.

    I've not had a chance to take advantage of it yet or get to showdown to what exactly these pot bets are all about. He's always committed by the turn so it is very strange, give me a good spot one time please!



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