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Tough spot with KK

ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
edited August 2010 in The Poker Clinic
Villain is a really solid reg who doesn't bluff very much at all, I'm also pretty sure she wouldn't play AQ this way very much if ever. I've been playing fairly aggro this session and I've seen her call me down 2 streets with 2nd pair. Normally I think her pf calling range would be 99-QQ,AQ+ but I guess it could be a bit wider here as we're playing over 150bbs deep. So what would you do in this spot?
coaley001 Small blind   £0.50 £0.50 £510.67
jakally Big blind   £1.00 £1.50 £109.65
EVILEDNA Sit out        
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • K
     
style2737 Call   £1.00 £2.50 £165.33
villain Raise   £4.00 £6.50 £173.32
yb Raise   £14.00 £20.50 £162.21
coaley001 Fold        
jakally Fold        
style2737 Fold        
villain Call   £10.00 £30.50 £163.32
Flop
   
  • Q
  • 6
  • 10
     
villain Check        
yb Bet   £21.00 £51.50 £141.21
villain Raise   £57.25 £108.75 £106.07
yb Call   £36.25 £145.00 £104.96
Turn
   
  • 9
     
villain All-in   £106.07 £251.07 £0.00
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  • theneonstheneons Member Posts: 276
    edited August 2010
    slow playing Queens? i would have played the hand exactly like this if the vil was me. why else c/r AI?
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited August 2010
    stinks of aces, but have to have some balls to fold here

    have read villains tendencies have you seen them shove pre with AA before? or do they usually try to get value?

    Could have Queens also
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  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,435
    edited August 2010
    Looks like a flopped set with a pocket pair as AA, i think, would've four bet pre flop.But AQ is also a possibility therefore I would've folded or reraised all in on the flop. They've got less than a pot size bet on the turn and the only move on the turn is an all-in.So if you think you're ahead, shove on the flop.
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  • TopTopGunTopTopGun Member Posts: 96
    edited August 2010
    I would have 3-bet all in on the flop, if you have ran into a cooler then so be it. But if your real confident on your reads of this player then you can lay down the kings.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    OMG CALL AND HIT A JACK


    is your opponent, 'da bomb' lol?
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  • waynecwaynec Member Posts: 1,023
    edited August 2010
    Got to be a set or Q, AA u wud be all in by now pre, looks like they could be defending against a board with a lot of draws, you would expect a check/raise if they had hit their str8 IMO which is not woth much lol.
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  • christiannchristiann Member Posts: 468
    edited August 2010
    Pocket 10's :)
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    also depends whether they know that you should not normally have KK lol.
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited August 2010
    I didnt 3 bet the flop because I'm never getting called by worse ever, and am pretty sure that the villain wouldnt start calling 3 bets oop with KJ/AJs etc oop 150bbs deep so that takes away basically any draws they can have. In the end I just folded because I couldnt put the villain on any hand that I could beat.
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Tough spot with KK:
    also depends whether they know that you should not normally have KK lol.
    Posted by beaneh
    lol why shouldn't i?

    and check your pm's bluuuud
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    obv depends on who this is, but against some you just cant fold. against others you really can fold the flop LOL!
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    i've replied though not quite sure why :-P
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  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,435
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Tough spot with KK:
    I didnt 3 bet the flop because I'm never getting called by worse ever, and am pretty sure that the villain wouldnt start calling 3 bets oop with KJ/AJs etc oop 150bbs deep so that takes away basically any draws they can have. In the end I just folded because I couldnt put the villain on any hand that I could beat.
    Posted by yb
    If you're not gonna reraise postflop , why did you call? All that happened by calling is delaying the decision and costing you £36.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Tough spot with KK:
    In Response to Re: Tough spot with KK : If you're not gonna reraise postflop , why did you call? All that happened by calling is delaying the decision and costing you £36.
    Posted by Mohican

    if they can have a set then we are well behind

    if they have a fd they have ~36%, if we call flop we still are crushed by sets but fd chance of improving has halved.
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Tough spot with KK:
    i've replied though not quite sure why :-P
    Posted by beaneh
    Lol safe g xx
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Tough spot with KK:
    In Response to Re: Tough spot with KK : If you're not gonna reraise postflop , why did you call? All that happened by calling is delaying the decision and costing you £36.
    Posted by Mohican
    If they can have fds/pure bluffs/AQ when they raise but then never double-barrel with these unimproved calling the flop and folding the turn is best, but you're right I think I could have just folded the flop in this case tbh.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    mbe even check back frop.
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  • simuksimuk Member Posts: 315
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Tough spot with KK:
    mbe even check back frop.
    Posted by beaneh
    Dont do this... 

    Against anyone good or aggro this is a snap call on the turn... or even a flop 3bet

    Against a nit or someone you think to be scared money, I think you can almost fold the flop...
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Tough spot with KK:
    In Response to Re: Tough spot with KK : Dont do this...  Against anyone good or aggro this is a snap call on the turn... or even a flop 3bet Against a nit or someone you think to be scared money, I think you can almost fold the flop...
    Posted by simuk

    c back flop is with reads you fishy. go run good in a tourny.
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