Cliokid the reason I dont like raising getting it in is that we are probably crushed by his b/cing range and we arent really folding out many hands that have good equity against us (apart from maybe stuff like 77-TT without a diamond if he folds these). Whereas if we call and see a blank turn we now obv have a lot better equity against all his drawing hands (stuff like 2 high cards with a diamond etc.) and also we have the benefit of position so we can see how he reacts. And if all else fails just pray for the 4d!
Btw this f-ing pop up thing that comes up halfway through writing a post and makes you start over is sooooo tilting!!!
I was almost in tears reading this thread. Cliokid the reason I dont like raising getting it in is that we are probably crushed by his b/cing range and we arent really folding out many hands that have good equity against us (apart from maybe stuff like 77-TT without a diamond if he folds these). Whereas if we call and see a blank turn we now obv have a lot better equity against all his drawing hands (stuff like 2 high cards with a diamond etc.) and also we have the benefit of position so we can see how he reacts. And if all else fails just pray for the 4d! Btw this f-ing pop up thing that comes up halfway through writing a post and makes you start over is sooooo tilting!!! Posted by yb
how could you be tilted in this thread, it's the best thread eva!!!
I was almost in tears reading this thread. Cliokid the reason I dont like raising getting it in is that we are probably crushed by his b/cing range and we arent really folding out many hands that have good equity against us (apart from maybe stuff like 77-TT without a diamond if he folds these). Whereas if we call and see a blank turn we now obv have a lot better equity against all his drawing hands (stuff like 2 high cards with a diamond etc.) and also we have the benefit of position so we can see how he reacts. And if all else fails just pray for the 4d! Btw this f-ing pop up thing that comes up halfway through writing a post and makes you start over is sooooo tilting!!! Posted by yb
"so Dr. DOHHHH can you tell me how you know how to perform open heart surgery on me?" "what does it matter if i know or dont know what im doing, at the end of the day all that matter is i make incisions at the right place at the right time so you dont die. i can do that and thats all that matters." "wat" Posted by LOL_RAISE
Are u really comparing a game of cards, to open heart surgery?
How about a constructive reply regarding the hand? Or no reply at all
In Response to Re: NL 50 overpair and draw.... : Are u really comparing a game of cards, to open heart surgery? How about a constructive reply regarding the hand? Or no reply at all There arent even any hearts on the flop Posted by DOHHHHHHH
yes i am honestly saying being a surgeon is exactly the same as playing poker for a living, they both follow the same model as
In Response to Re: NL 50 overpair and draw.... : yes i am honestly saying being a surgeon is exactly the same as playing poker for a living Posted by LOL_RAISE
loooooooooooool Ive never been crushed everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - that's a fact. Im the only guy in the world who has played 5 years an not had a down swing remember. Thanx for replying anyway. What would other people do in this situation? Bloke is an un-known, not been at table long, do u just sigh, give up, and say "ok have it" like me? Or get brave ?? Posted by DOHHHHHHH
You've not had a downswing in 5yrs and ur still playin on SKY, lol
p.s good fold I reckon, looks like a big overpair with a dia, but what wud I know, as u already told me I'm a complete donk with no clue, and in 5 yrs I've made a number of downswings,
Just a few tentative thoughts for you mate, as you know I'm no cash player.
I think it's good advice you've been given about looking at why you raised pre. As it is you can answer that question, I think, simply by saying you've got a decent hand 6 handed, you're in good position really (you did buy the button) and you're isolating the limper. No problems there I don't think. The villain has become involved, c'est la vie.
To the flop then. You've been advised by a very good cash player to call and re-evaluate on the turn. This is because you're in position and like I say the advice has come from a very good player. However, your hand, really, is horrible isn't it? (apart from the gut shot straight flush draw of course). I fully agree with what you said about there being no turn cards you like and as such, facing a pot bet with little info, I instantly fold here. However I am a nit and apart from folding, I think your only other option is to re-raise/fold here. If he doesn't fold to your reraise then I would shut down. Of course if he flats and checks the turn, perhaps you need to fire (?) but this is where I am getting out of my depth I am afraid, sorry.
Just as a final point, something I have done in the past is give people too much credit when moving up levels and I don't think for a minute that you won't be beating this level comfortably pretty soon. I'm not saying your doing this here or playing more timid than your natural style but it is worth asking yourself the question. What would you have done against a relative unknown at nl30 in exatly the same spot? My gut is that you would have raised the villain who dared donk bet into you and my gut is also that if that's correct, perhaps that's what you should continue to do at nl50, at least against unknowns until you get reads. Play your natural game mate!
Just a few tentative thoughts for you mate, as you know I'm no cash player. I think it's good advice you've been given about looking at why you raised pre. As it is you can answer that question, I think, simply by saying you've got a decent hand 6 handed, you're in good position really (you did buy the button) and you're isolating the limper. No problems there I don't think. The villain has become involved, c'est la vie. To the flop then. You've been advised by a very good cash player to call and re-evaluate on the turn. This is because you're in position and like I say the advice has come from a very good player. However, your hand, really, is horrible isn't it? (apart from the gut shot straight flush draw of course). I fully agree with what you said about there being no turn cards you like and as such, facing a pot bet with little info, I instantly fold here. However I am a nit and apart from folding, I think your only other option is to re-raise/fold here. If he doesn't fold to your reraise then I would shut down. Of course if he flats and checks the turn, perhaps you need to fire (?) but this is where I am getting out of my depth I am afraid, sorry. Just as a final point, something I have done in the past is give people too much credit when moving up levels and I don't think for a minute that you won't be beating this level comfortably pretty soon. I'm not saying your doing this here or playing more timid than your natural style but it is worth asking yourself the question. What would you have done against a relative unknown at nl30 in exatly the same spot? My gut is that you would have raised the villain who dared donk bet into you and my gut is also that if that's correct, perhaps that's what you should continue to do at nl50, at least against unknowns until you get reads. Play your natural game mate! JC Posted by JohnConnor
I think it's good advice you've been given about looking at why you raised pre. As it is you can answer that question, I think, simply by saying you've got a decent hand 6 handed, you're in good position really (you did buy the button) and you're isolating the limper. No problems there I don't think. The villain has become involved, c'est la vie.
I never have done nor will ever give advise, I'm not good enough (nor is 99% of players on SKY) but the raise pre in this hand makes the pot big , with QQ and 2 callers here I'm worried, never mind 66, If ur willin to bwt 5 x bb pre then u must accept that if u get called the flop will be dangerous and u must be willing to play this, if not a 2.5 to 3 x bb raise wud get the same info without inflating the betting per flop to allow a more valued decision.
dohhhh i dont agree with the raise pre flop, i think low pockets are very good trapping cards! you limp with these and hit trips u win a massive pot!! However in these circumstances it looks like he has an overpair and wants every1 out because of the straighty flop and he knows theres a chance some1 cud have an ace 4 suited or two diamonds. I would put him on an overpair here and fold, or shove and hope he has Ace 5 or just ace high. But if he has two diamonds a four or an overpair ur going to be putting ur stack in!
I wouldnt of raised so much pre but if i had i would of folded after that bet, unless i was playing you then i would shove lol
disguise the strength of our hand get value from our best starting hands allow us to get people to fold better hands on boards that hit our perceived range allow us to get a free card (especially when in position as people will often check to the preflop raiser) build the pot for when we do hit play for bigger pots against weaker opponents take the blinds down uncontested be able to put opponents on a narrower range of hands
and I'm sure you can think of other reasons too. And I would be making it 4x minimum here, I think 5x is fine though with a limper already and you not being in great position. ACA making it 2.5x is pointless because we are still going to go to a flop multiway, and we're not raising preflop 'to find out if our sixes are good'. Also you should be keeping your raise sizes constant so your raise size here should be the same as if you had aces.
I just make any raise 4xbb + 1 per limper....is that old school or something?
I was reading 2+2 forum yesterday and Harvey said he makes it 2x from the button with 100% of his playable range.
Whats that all about? Maybe I need to try these sort of things out.
Also need to start floppin sets again, haven't had one for ages.
JC! - Im really not sure what I would have done at nl30. Ur right I know all the regs/donks inside out at that level, so Id have a good idea where I was, and what to do. The villain in the hand above Ive never seen before.
Maybe the money does effect me, but an 8 quid bet when I have a 5 figure bankroll realllllyyyyy shouldn't.
Just need 1 winning session at this level and I'll be away I reckon, I used to play it all the time and do well, back in the bigshann/offshoot nl50 days.
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Cliokid the reason I dont like raising getting it in is that we are probably crushed by his b/cing range and we arent really folding out many hands that have good equity against us (apart from maybe stuff like 77-TT without a diamond if he folds these). Whereas if we call and see a blank turn we now obv have a lot better equity against all his drawing hands (stuff like 2 high cards with a diamond etc.) and also we have the benefit of position so we can see how he reacts. And if all else fails just pray for the 4d!
Btw this f-ing pop up thing that comes up halfway through writing a post and makes you start over is sooooo tilting!!!
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You've not had a downswing in 5yrs and ur still playin on SKY, lol
p.s good fold I reckon, looks like a big overpair with a dia, but what wud I know, as u already told me I'm a complete donk with no clue, and in 5 yrs I've made a number of downswings,
jesus doh, your such a nit!
you have to continue on that flop surely!
Just a few tentative thoughts for you mate, as you know I'm no cash player.
I think it's good advice you've been given about looking at why you raised pre. As it is you can answer that question, I think, simply by saying you've got a decent hand 6 handed, you're in good position really (you did buy the button) and you're isolating the limper. No problems there I don't think. The villain has become involved, c'est la vie.
To the flop then. You've been advised by a very good cash player to call and re-evaluate on the turn. This is because you're in position and like I say the advice has come from a very good player. However, your hand, really, is horrible isn't it? (apart from the gut shot straight flush draw of course). I fully agree with what you said about there being no turn cards you like and as such, facing a pot bet with little info, I instantly fold here. However I am a nit and apart from folding, I think your only other option is to re-raise/fold here. If he doesn't fold to your reraise then I would shut down. Of course if he flats and checks the turn, perhaps you need to fire (?) but this is where I am getting out of my depth I am afraid, sorry.
Just as a final point, something I have done in the past is give people too much credit when moving up levels and I don't think for a minute that you won't be beating this level comfortably pretty soon. I'm not saying your doing this here or playing more timid than your natural style but it is worth asking yourself the question. What would you have done against a relative unknown at nl30 in exatly the same spot? My gut is that you would have raised the villain who dared donk bet into you and my gut is also that if that's correct, perhaps that's what you should continue to do at nl50, at least against unknowns until you get reads. Play your natural game mate!
JC
I think it's good advice you've been given about looking at why you raised pre. As it is you can answer that question, I think, simply by saying you've got a decent hand 6 handed, you're in good position really (you did buy the button) and you're isolating the limper. No problems there I don't think. The villain has become involved, c'est la vie.
I never have done nor will ever give advise, I'm not good enough (nor is 99% of players on SKY) but the raise pre in this hand makes the pot big , with QQ and 2 callers here I'm worried, never mind 66, If ur willin to bwt 5 x bb pre then u must accept that if u get called the flop will be dangerous and u must be willing to play this, if not a 2.5 to 3 x bb raise wud get the same info without inflating the betting per flop to allow a more valued decision.
I would put him on an overpair here and fold, or shove and hope he has Ace 5 or just ace high. But if he has two diamonds a four or an overpair ur going to be putting ur stack in!
I wouldnt of raised so much pre but if i had i would of folded after that bet, unless i was playing you then i would shove lol
We raise preflop to:
disguise the strength of our hand
get value from our best starting hands
allow us to get people to fold better hands on boards that hit our perceived range
allow us to get a free card (especially when in position as people will often check to the preflop raiser)
build the pot for when we do hit
play for bigger pots against weaker opponents
take the blinds down uncontested
be able to put opponents on a narrower range of hands
and I'm sure you can think of other reasons too. And I would be making it 4x minimum here, I think 5x is fine though with a limper already and you not being in great position. ACA making it 2.5x is pointless because we are still going to go to a flop multiway, and we're not raising preflop 'to find out if our sixes are good'. Also you should be keeping your raise sizes constant so your raise size here should be the same as if you had aces.