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Bad fold?

punxxs_13punxxs_13 Member Posts: 123
edited September 2010 in The Poker Clinic
Is this a bad fold??
Guy was a bit aggro! Think maybe I missed a trick and should have called.
Opinions please. :)
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
x Small blind   300.00 300.00 18611.25
punxxs_13 Big blind   600.00 900.00 16740.00
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • Q
     
SAS10 Fold        
Ozzie08 Fold        
Cowgomoo Fold        
izabel Fold        
x Call   300.00 1200.00 18311.25
punxxs_13 Raise   1200.00 2400.00 15540.00
x Call   1200.00 3600.00 17111.25
Flop
   
  • K
  • J
  • 4
     
x Check        
punxxs_13 Bet   2400.00 6000.00 13140.00
x All-in   17111.25 23111.25 0.00
punxxs_13 Fold        
x Muck        
x Win   8400.00   8400.00
x Return   14711.25 0.00 23111.25

Comments

  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited September 2010
    yeah i think he had a low pocket pair but could of easily had a queen with a terrible kicker.
    But i personally think a call here
  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited September 2010
    wow... tough spot... I hate limp callers for this exact reason.

    A lot depends on how good he is. If he's a good player, he's thinking you're c-betting having missed the flop (though having raised, a K or J is very much in your range) or he has a flush draw and cuonting on fold equity.

    If he's a bad player, he could well have K rag, which hit. It all depends on how you read his game, and how willing to take a chance you are- bear in mind there are still 2 cards to come so you're not drawing completely dead whatever he has, you have 2 cards for a straight and still 2 queens to hit. The thing leaping at me though is the fact he's limp called pre, then suddenly shoved. That's not the sort of thing a passive player would do unless they have the goods.

    I think I'd reluctantly fold without a good read on his game.
  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited September 2010
    Snap fold, even if he's aggro I can't see him shoving over a strong c bet with air, maybe he had flush draw but imo I don't take that risk.
  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited September 2010
    well he limp calls 5x pre so he is never a good player.

    folding is fine imo
  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: Bad fold?:
    well he limp calls 5x pre so he is never a good player. folding is fine imo
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    Well, not to split hairs but he limped SB and then called a 3x raise- I agree it's not an optimal play, especially at that stage, but you never know if he's got a plan or not- you need more information than a single hand. He could be trapping with a big hand, he could have a plan to convey weakness, he could be just a complete muppet. Based just on this hand, I'm inclined to believe he's not great, but I'm not sure I agree that limp calling a hand automatically makes you a bad player.
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: Bad fold?:
    well he limp calls 5x pre so he is never a good player. folding is fine imo
    Posted by LOL_RAISE


    learn to read he limp calls a min raise!



    raise more pre, b/f flop is fine. 
  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited September 2010
    doesnt he limp call 2x?
  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: Bad fold?:
    In Response to  Re: Bad fold? : learn to read he limp calls a min raise! raise more pre, b/f flop is fine. 
    Posted by beaneh
    He's in the BB, it's a 3x raise right? I think the way he played it was pretty good throughout, maybe a 4x raise pre but realistically you'd want the single customer with queens more often than not.
  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited September 2010
    beaneh is right as usual!

    the bb was 600 and he raised for 1200 hense min raise.............................
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited September 2010
    sky hh's doing my head in atm lol
  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited September 2010
    meh blind levels are double what i thought they were :(

    hes still bad!

    the way sky hh works is that the raise is on top of your current wager, so its 1200+ the 600bb he has in there. deuces is good at reading the rest of us arent
  • punxxs_13punxxs_13 Member Posts: 123
    edited September 2010
    Thanks for the comments guys.

    I raised it up to 1800.. So 3 x the BB. :)

    He could have had anything really.. Most likely hand is a King.. But he could easily have done that on a draw or with a jack.. Just didn't no where I was so folded it.






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