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What would you do next?

FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
edited September 2010 in The Poker Clinic
5toneFace Small blind   £0.50 £0.50 £197.06
FlashFlush Big blind   £1.00 £1.50 £97.26
  Your hole cards
  • 9
  • 8
     
STACKS45 Call   £1.00 £2.50 £136.26
ezryder Fold        
ajs4385 Raise   £4.00 £6.50 £97.00
offshoot Call   £4.00 £10.50 £131.75
5toneFace Fold        
FlashFlush Call   £3.00 £13.50 £94.26
STACKS45 Call   £3.00 £16.50 £133.26
Flop
   
  • 5
  • 10
  • 7
     
FlashFlush Check        
STACKS45 Check        
ajs4385 Bet   £10.00 £26.50 £87.00
offshoot Call   £10.00 £36.50 £121.75
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  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited September 2010
    personally i look around and think, ****, what am i doing sat at 100nl with flash, ajs and offshoot! 

    fwiw what i would do would all depend on reads, and as i don't play against these 2 players, i have no reads  
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  • QuadKingsQuadKings Member Posts: 69
    edited September 2010
    Fold there maybe call if you had the flush draw
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited September 2010
    i'd fold pre, offshoot has you in position and although you got pretty hand its only 89

    I'd probably call as played, then re-evaluate on the turn if hit straight and no diamonds then try get it in, if still drawing or picked up additional outs it depends on the action before maybe c/c
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited September 2010
    id call and see the turn
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: What would you do next?:
    id call and see the turn
    Posted by N1CK
    This

    There isnt much else you can do tbh.
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: What would you do next?:
    id call and see the turn
    Posted by N1CK
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  • freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited September 2010
    3 bet pre, pos.
    Dont play hands OOP vs 2 of the best regs at this level.
    If you call and hit your draw, what do you do on the turn and/or what will they do? if you bet will they call? if you check will one of em bet?
    I cant see ajs on a stone cold bluff (betting into 3 players) so i dont think a raise is gonna make him go away.
    offshoot flating, he could be slow playing a monster 8d,9d or the nut flush draw.
    To be honest im real unsure what i would do, i prob call and hope for 6h, but im prob 3 betting pre as ajs can have a very wide range and he sees me as a nit.
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: What would you do next?:
    3 bet pre, pos. Dont play hands OOP vs 2 of the best regs at this level. If you call and hit your draw, what do you do on the turn and/or what will they do? if you bet will they call? if you check will one of em bet? I cant see ajs on a stone cold bluff (betting into 3 players) so i dont think a raise is gonna make him go away. offshoot flating, he could be slow playing a monster 8d,9d or the nut flush draw. To be honest im real unsure what i would do, i prob call and hope for 6h, but im prob 3 betting pre as ajs can have a very wide range and he sees me as a nit.
    Posted by freechips1
    Meh I think playing this kind of hand is fine oop in a multiway pot (as long as you dont stack off when it comes 8 high etc), 3betting is ok as well if they see you as a nit. I really doubt offshoot has a set on this kind of board, but yeah ajs has always got top pair or better or a good draw so raising isn't going to get through very much.

    Calling /> Folding > Raising imo

    Btw does ajs really see you as a nit?
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  • freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited September 2010
    I AM A NIT, haha
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: What would you do next?:
    3 bet pre, pos. Dont play hands OOP vs 2 of the best regs at this level. If you call and hit your draw, what do you do on the turn and/or what will they do? if you bet will they call? if you check will one of em bet? I cant see ajs on a stone cold bluff (betting into 3 players) so i dont think a raise is gonna make him go away. offshoot flating, he could be slow playing a monster 8d,9d or the nut flush draw. To be honest im real unsure what i would do, i prob call and hope for 6h, but im prob 3 betting pre as ajs can have a very wide range and he sees me as a nit.
    Posted by freechips1
    i just like the call pre its a good hand for a multiway pot i wouldnt want to get blown off it, ajs range can be pretty wide but offshoot could have anything, he could have a huge hand pre and just call because he dosnt want to squeeze the limper out but then he knows aj knowns that he knows hes isolating and could induce him to play back at him if that makes sense lol, i think fine as played see the turn and go from there
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  • freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: What would you do next?:
    In Response to Re: What would you do next? : i just like the call pre its a good hand for a multiway pot i wouldnt want to get blown off it, ajs range can be pretty wide but offshoot could have anything, he could have a huge hand pre and just call because he dosnt want to squeeze the limper out but then he knows aj knowns that he knows hes isolating and could induce him to play back at him if that makes sense lol, i think fine as played see the turn and go from there
    Posted by N1CK
    you played much with offshoot? he is very rearly if ever flating with a monster pre (ak, aa, kk, qq) with the early limper and ajs raise.
    the way its played from offshoots point of veiw, when he calls one of the blinds is coming along and so will the early pos limp, he will never take a 4 way flop with a premium hand, and nor will any other player, i hope.
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: What would you do next?:
    In Response to Re: What would you do next? : you played much with offshoot? he is very rearly if ever flating with a monster pre (ak, aa, kk, qq) with the early limper and ajs raise. the way its played from offshoots point of veiw, when he calls one of the blinds is coming along and so will the early pos limp, he will never take a 4 way flop with a premium hand, and nor will any other player, i hope.
    Posted by freechips1
    yeah its a fair point
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  • BrownnDogBrownnDog Member Posts: 729
    edited September 2010
    CALL and hit ezzz off and AJ are both fish so they will pay you off
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited September 2010
    if the limper is jsut dead money id flat pre.  post the turn card pls
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited September 2010
    omg easiest rr pre ever (with your image I would assume)


    as is call flop make draw on turn, swivel around on your chair in excitement then go ARRRRR EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN yayayayayayayaay
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  • FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
    edited September 2010
    Well I thought I had found a good sqeeze spot here... Agreed AJS isn't Cbetting with nothing when there are 3 other players but that doesn't mean he has to have hit it smack in the face, IMO if he has hit a big hand he is betting 13/14£ here expecting 1 caller. Offshoot rarely flats raises, he either folds or 3bets, so looks to me he could be on a flush draw (unlikey to be the nut flush) so I shoved for my £94 stack.

    The thing neither I or anyone else on this thread has considered is stacks45 sitting back with a monster,  I knew I was in trouble when he snapped my shove, AJS also called very quickly and offshoot got out of the way (as expected)....

     Below is what happened....
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  • FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
    edited September 2010
    5toneFace Small blind   £0.50 £0.50 £197.06
    FlashFlush Big blind   £1.00 £1.50 £97.26
      Your hole cards
    • 9
    • 8
    		     
    STACKS45 Call   £1.00 £2.50 £136.26
    ezryder Fold        
    ajs4385 Raise   £4.00 £6.50 £97.00
    offshoot Call   £4.00 £10.50 £131.75
    5toneFace Fold        
    FlashFlush Call   £3.00 £13.50 £94.26
    STACKS45 Call   £3.00 £16.50 £133.26
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 10
    • 7
    		     
    FlashFlush Check        
    STACKS45 Check        
    ajs4385 Bet   £10.00 £26.50 £87.00
    offshoot Call   £10.00 £36.50 £121.75
    FlashFlush All-in   £94.26 £130.76 £0.00
    STACKS45 Call   £94.26 £225.02 £39.00
    ajs4385 All-in   £87.00 £312.02 £0.00
    offshoot Fold        
    STACKS45 Call   £2.74 £314.76 £36.26
    FlashFlush Show
    • 9
    • 8
    		     
    STACKS45 Show
    • 5
    • 5
    		     
    ajs4385 Show
    • 9
    • 8
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 7
    		     
    River
       
    • 3
    		     
    STACKS45 Win Full House, 5s and 7s £312.96   £349.22
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited September 2010
    who cares about the limp cawler he wont have hit often.

    c/jamming looks a **** of a lot like a draw 
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited September 2010
    I disagree with some of your reads.

    This move is really bad imo because you have bad equity when called and the shove doesn't get through anywhere near enough times.
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  • FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
    edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: What would you do next?:
    I disagree with some of your reads. This move is really bad imo because you have bad equity when called and the shove doesn't get through anywhere near enough times.
    Posted by yb
    I realise this now... I posted it to see if anyone else would say to jam before I posted results... I thought there would be alot of action junkies out there that would be smashing it in here as well.

    At the end of the day, I wasnty miles away with my reads... AJS  did want to increase the pot slowly and leaving possibilities of folding later on, offshoot did fold as expected, just as beaneh said you can't expect stacks to wake up with a monster.

    *Note to self* Go back to AA and KK only    ;-)
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