just a cooler???

donkeyplop

did i give vil good odds to chase straight or was i just coolered by a fish here???

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
xxx	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£15.93
jackl	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£9.29
	Your hole cards	Q Q
donkeyplop	Raise		£0.40	£0.52	£7.44
SALSACITY	Call		£0.40	£0.92	£4.98
xxx	Call		£0.36	£1.28	£15.57
jackl	Fold
Flop
		9 Q A
xxx	Bet		£0.08	£1.36	£15.49
donkeyplop	Raise		£0.80	£2.16	£6.64
SALSACITY	Fold
xxx	Call		£0.72	£2.88	£14.77
Turn
		K
xxx	Bet		£0.08	£2.96	£14.69
donkeyplop	Raise		£2.36	£5.32	£4.28
xxx	Call		£2.28	£7.60	£12.41
River
		5
xxx	Check
donkeyplop	Check
xxx	Show	J 10
donkeyplop	Show	Q Q
xxx	Win	Straight to the Ace	£7.03		£19.44

DOHHHHHHH

Yeh, if the guy wasn't so bad it wud have cost u 4 more beans !!!!

Nice check behind on the river.

yb

Shove river imo!

donkeyplop

no way shove river!!!

do you like the min donk bets on flop and turn???? loool

i checked river as had feeling they had hit better!!!

YOUNG_GUN

vul, dont think you gave him the odds but tbf no-one plays odds at that level, just chase your draws and he got lucky. very Gut check on the river donkey )

LOL_RAISE

readless id jam river all day

FlashFlush

Played it well just unlucky, You have got nearly 90 blinds in the pot, id be happy to take that and not risk them rivering the flush.

Nothing more you could of done imo, played it uber aggro which u need to do at this level, just didnt come off this time. (Nice river check BTW)

Talon

  In reply to the odds question.
  Your raise on the flop gave him exactly 3 to 1 to make the call. An oesd on the flop is about 2 to 1 to hit by the river so you gave him better than great odds to make the call. It is very difficult to take away the odds for these big draws and even a shove at this point is liable to be called with you not being as big a favourite as you would like despite your monster hand.

SHANXTA

In Response to Re: just a cooler???:

  In reply to the odds question.   Your raise on the flop gave him exactly 3 to 1 to make the call. An oesd on the flop is about 2 to 1 to hit by the river so you gave him better than great odds to make the call. It is very difficult to take away the odds for these big draws and even a shove at this point is liable to be called with you not being as big a favourite as you would like despite your monster hand.
Posted by Talon

you're looking at odds completely wrong, as there is betting left the villain has no idea he will be calling this raise and then seeing both the turn and the river. he can only really consider his 8 outs on the turn, so he needs to be getting approx 6/1 to hit. ofc u can then consider implied odds.

i appreciate i have explained this horribly, but i've only just got up!!

also fwiw i'm jamming river

donkeyplop

so would you jam the river to rep the flush????

i see what you are saying but at this level i dont think they were ever folding here!!!!

to be honest i thought they had hit there flush on the river!

seing they called me down until the river!!!!

yb

Why do we need to rep the flush?? We have a set.

Jam and get called by an ace/2 pair etc.

Btw this is why you shouldn't include results in your post.

donkeyplop

well i had a feeling my hand was no good so i checked river.

yes i had a set on a straightening and flushing board and imo i saved myself by not betting.

yes im a nit lol.

DOHHHHHHH

The hand he shows at the end, will allow you to work out whether your check behind on the river was right, or wrong.

If he showed ace queen, then you definitely missed a bet.

If he shows the straight, flush, or higher set, then your check behind on the river was correct.

......Which it was, well played. 

goodylad21

You played the hand well, but the villain should of got all your money on the turn when you were pot committed !!

Thank your lucky stars lol !!

yb

In Response to Re: just a cooler???:

The hand he shows at the end, will allow you to work out whether your check behind on the river was right, or wrong. If he showed ace queen, then you definitely missed a bet. If he shows the straight, flush, or higher set, then your check behind on the river was correct. ......Which it was, well played. 
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

looool

WE ARE PLAYING AGAINST A RANGE OF HANDS!!!! If we have a winning hand 80% of the time and he has the winning hand 20%, we are printing money by shoving every time (assuming he calls a decent amount of the time when he's behind which he will because an 8NL player who min donk bets twice is never folding an ace here).

Honestly the way you think is going to lose you so much value in the long run.

DOHHHHHHH

Nah ur playing against 2 cards - 1 hand, I will bet you your whole bankroll that I am right in saying that. it's a fact.

donkeyplop

i see what you are saying but it did look like they had hit there flush here imo.

and i just love your comebacks dohhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

beaneh

In Response to Re: just a cooler???:
Nah ur playing against 2 cards - 1 hand, I will bet you your whole bankroll that I am right in saying that. it's a fact.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

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yb

In terms of doing whats best to get us most money we are playing against a range of hands that the villain might hold, thats a fact.

But if you want to p 1ss about trying to pick what exact hand your opponent has this time and acting accordingly then good luck with that.

Seriously do you actually not put people on ranges? Wow.

beaneh

yb man you seee why you shouldn't have laughed at me when I had these shenanigans going on.

he's yours to tutor 

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yb

loool

half the time I still think he's on a massive wind up though! I mean how can you crush 30NL for 5 years and still not learnt something so basic :S