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Top set

freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
edited October 2010 in The Poker Clinic
Oscargm Big blind  £0.50 £0.50 £72.21
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • K
     
robert1958 Call  £0.50 £1.00 £83.09
blondynka7 Fold     
freechips1 Raise  £2.00 £3.00 £298.64
Oscargm Call  £1.50 £4.50 £70.71
robert1958 Call  £1.50 £6.00 £81.59
Flop
   
  • 5
  • K
  • J
     
Oscargm Check     
robert1958 Check     
freechips1 Bet  £4.00 £10.00 £294.64
Oscargm Call  £4.00 £14.00 £66.71
robert1958 Call  £4.00 £18.00 £77.59
Turn
   
  • 4
     
Oscargm Check     
robert1958 Check     
freechips1 Bet  £11.50 £29.50 £283.14
Oscargm Call  £11.50 £41.00 £55.21
robert1958 Fold     
River
   
  • 7
     
Oscargm Check     
freechips1 Bet  £9.50 £50.50 £273.64
Oscargm All-in  £55.21 £105.71 £0.00



no reads as i was playing a few tables, my bet on the turn is so f*****g stupid  (too small)
Is this another, i have hit the nuts so ship the lot in? or was it my bet on the river that made me look weak? so thats why he shoves?
i made a total mess of this hand, i dont need telling. ty
call river or fold?
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  • scrumdownscrumdown Member Posts: 1,609
    edited October 2010
    i think hit his flush  flop bet was to low  me bet 12 quid  same on the turn i would have pushed all in on the turn
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  • freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: Top set:
    i think hit his flush  flop bet was to low  me bet 12 quid  same on the turn i would have pushed all in on the turn
    Posted by scrumdown
    pot limit, so can only bet £6. why on earth would anyone bet £12 into £6 ?
    sry it wasnt PL
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited October 2010
    6 on flop 15 on turn jam riv. as is wat on earth with river bet size, just cawl now you've done that silly-ness.
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  • freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited October 2010
    I played well last night belive it or not, i made a total mess of this hand and also another.  I know where i went wrong with the other hand.
    This one is a total mess, im such a tard at times.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited October 2010
    No ones gonna disagree mate :-p

    LOOOOOOOOOOOOL




    This one cant be that much of a mess because you have top set lol that part is played well.
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  • offshootoffshoot Member Posts: 1,049
    edited October 2010
    i would check river. youre rarely getting 3 streets of value from a jack.
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  • freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: Top set:
    i would check river. youre rarely getting 3 streets of value from a jack.
    Posted by offshoot
    what % of the time has villan hit his flush here? />60% ?
    that was sort of the reason of the small bet to get value from 2nd pair, by the river i knew i had made a mess of it and just wanted it over.
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  • offshootoffshoot Member Posts: 1,049
    edited October 2010
    i dont hate the small bet. It basically tells your opponent you dont have the flush though. I guess at 50nl its not bad because people arent bluffshoving on you here very often if at all.

    i dont see what the problem is with the hand tbh, fold river and its played fine.
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  • freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited October 2010
    the turn bet has annoyed me, i think flop is fine.  I had 2 villans i should of bet around £15 on turn or pos pot.
    what you think of a check, call on the river or is bet, folding best?
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2010

    Why would you bet then fold? especially when it's such a small bet........

    Check behind or bet properly????? (unless ur trying to induce a shove then SNAP!!!!)

    nice stack btw.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited October 2010
    bet fold is fine.
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  • freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: Top set:
    Why would you bet then fold? especially when it's such a small bet........ Check behind or bet properly????? (unless ur trying to induce a shove then SNAP!!!!) nice stack btw.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    thats why its such a small bet, i bet to get value from a jack or the case king.  is villan c/r river with a king or jack? i think not.  I DID FOLD THIS i can only see villan with a flush.
    my stack, i ended the night with 350 on 2 50nl tables, a good session seeing me +13 buyin.
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: Top set:
    In Response to Re: Top set : what % of the time has villan hit his flush here? />60% ? that was sort of the reason of the small bet to get value from 2nd pair, by the river i knew i had made a mess of it and just wanted it over.
    Posted by freechips1
    Lots.

    Villain has either got a flush here or is an absolute genius with a marginal/busted straight draw and has bluffed at you as you have clearly shopped your hand as being strong (top two/sets) but scared stiff of the flush.

    I can see the bet fold reasoning as stated by Beaneh but I don't think you get three streets of value from somebody who has not tried to protect their hand from a fairly wet flop (the only possible exception is a lower set from a player who doesn't have you on betting a flush draw).  In other words I check behind in most cases without reads on the player.
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited October 2010
    meh people love to donk shove into you when they river flushes id be pretty tempted to cawl
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