Well, on the primo final table that makes absolute sense, because by making your raise size that big, you're folding out far more hands- it's essentially saying that you really like your hand. It's not good to get stuck into the 3x rut, especially early stages of tournament when a 3x raise means nothing. What you're looking for with that real raise size with AK is for a donk with AQ/AJ/KQ/KJ or even a decent player with any underpair to get stuck in with a reraise, so you can shove and get your chips in preflop. If not, you've still got a big pot to work with and AK holds up fairly well against a large range of hands.
Well, on the primo final table that makes absolute sense, because by making your raise size that big, you're folding out far more hands- it's essentially saying that you really like your hand. It's not good to get stuck into the 3x rut, especially early stages of tournament when a 3x raise means nothing. What you're looking for with that real raise size with AK is for a donk with AQ/AJ/KQ/KJ or even a decent player with any underpair to get stuck in with a reraise, so you can shove and get your chips in preflop. If not, you've still got a big pot to work with and AK holds up fairly well against a large range of hands. Posted by DeucesLive
It doesn't make sense if you're 5x folding. It also doesn't make sense if you are then priced in to make a call with a marginal hand. No-one is folding out any hands when the blinds are that big btw, 5x A7 won't fold out A9. I would even go as far as opening to 3x later on in a tournament is a little too much.
Are many donks even shoving those hands 1st level of a tournament? I could understand this a lot more in position but I don't like playing a huge pot oop with AK 1st level, sorry. Btw, I would rather shove this hand than 3 bet to whatever he made it.
Against players I play regularly in cash, and good, well known mtt players, I obviously have to be aware of my betting patterns. Here on the flop, I'm stacking off if he wants to play that way..... But ideally I want him to fold. So I make my bet as big as I think I can without just jamming, turning my hand face up, and saying to him "I've got a draw" I never raise more than 2.5xbb late on in a tournament without reads. Raised big pre because Ive got ace king? It's a nice hand Wanted to get it heads up ideally. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Yeah I don't mind the flop bet in this hand. Just wondered because you see so many people just bashing the pot button.
I only say about the huge pf raises because I see it so much too. Honestly I was down to the last 3 of a tournament the other week and the button opened to 8x with AA, blinds were 2/4k. Don't know if you advocate that DeucesLive but I snap folded like A7 in the bb. So I guess he 'folded out' some hands..
Personally I don't bet as much on the flop, as others have said around the 160 mark is good. The trouble with raising that much pre you will not want to fold your hand on the flop if you miss. Remember this isn't cash, if you miss you cant just bump back up to full stacks. My personal preference is to keep pots controlled until I hit the board and then you can go to town on the fish.
As it was with that flop i'm putting my chips in as well you have the nut flush draw as well as overcards if they are live. With a table/tournament full of poor players think what damage you could do wih double everyone elses stack.
I'd probably reraise to around 230 pre fwiw and am more than happy to bloat the pot with AK against the limpers/min raiser. On the flop b/cing any amount is fine. In fact I would rather bet bigger to fold out some underpairs that still have ~ 50% equity against us so wp.
If you got a monster like AA, raising 8x is just stupid imo, there's disguising your hand and there's completely pricing your opponent out from calling with anything but a huge hand, a 3x raise with that is good enough to get hands involved which you're almost always crushing, and can probably then stack on a decent flop.
The thing with a 5x raise is it doesn't leave so much leverage to a reraise bluff- if you get reraised, you're pretty certain you're behind. Marginal aces will often fold to a raise of that size, as well as a lot of other marginal hands (QJ/Q10/KJ etc). A 3x raise leaves a lot more fold equity open, when you open for 5x you're essentially saying 'I am in this hand, and you're not getting me off it'.
I'm not saying it's what I'd do, or even what's correct to do, but I do think there's a place for it if you know your opponents well enough, increasing a raise size could work.
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As it was with that flop i'm putting my chips in as well you have the nut flush draw as well as overcards if they are live. With a table/tournament full of poor players think what damage you could do wih double everyone elses stack.
Get the double or GTFO imo.
The thing with a 5x raise is it doesn't leave so much leverage to a reraise bluff- if you get reraised, you're pretty certain you're behind. Marginal aces will often fold to a raise of that size, as well as a lot of other marginal hands (QJ/Q10/KJ etc). A 3x raise leaves a lot more fold equity open, when you open for 5x you're essentially saying 'I am in this hand, and you're not getting me off it'.
I'm not saying it's what I'd do, or even what's correct to do, but I do think there's a place for it if you know your opponents well enough, increasing a raise size could work.