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bad call or bad shove?
waller02
Member Posts: 9,072
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| BOUNCY497 | Small blind | 400.00 | 400.00 | 6510.00 | |
| waller02 | Big blind | 800.00 | 1200.00 | 11747.50 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| maui73 | Raise | 1600.00 | 2800.00 | 10281.25 | |
| Theo08 | Fold | ||||
| spartan300 | Fold | ||||
| jjbails | Fold | ||||
| BOUNCY497 | Fold | ||||
| waller02 | Call | 800.00 | 3600.00 | 10947.50 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| waller02 | Check | ||||
| maui73 | Bet | 3600.00 | 7200.00 | 6681.25 | |
| waller02 | All-in | 10947.50 | 18147.50 | 0.00 | |
| maui73 | All-in | 6681.25 | 24828.75 | 0.00 | |
| waller02 | Unmatched bet | 666.25 | 24162.50 | 666.25 | |
| waller02 | Show |
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| maui73 | Show |
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| Turn | |||||
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| River | |||||
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| maui73 | Win | Pair of 5s | 24162.50 | 24162.50 | |
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This hand was getting towards the cash places in the doublestack, I was 56th with 80 left and 50 cashing. I called the min raise as he had been stealing my blind quite a lot. Was his call to my shove a bad call or was he pot commited??? Was i wrong to shove and should have folded and waited for a better spot???? I'm still learning the game and would like to know how others would have played this hand, all advice much appreciated.
Cheers Ryan.
This hand was getting towards the cash places in the doublestack, I was 56th with 80 left and 50 cashing. I called the min raise as he had been stealing my blind quite a lot. Was his call to my shove a bad call or was he pot commited??? Was i wrong to shove and should have folded and waited for a better spot???? I'm still learning the game and would like to know how others would have played this hand, all advice much appreciated.
Cheers Ryan.
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When the flop gives you the OESD you should be able to take it down with the push knowing if he has got something you'll still have a chance.
The call by him was horrible with Ace high.
Don't worry about it, just move on.
As is you have basically 0 fold equity on the flop but we're pretty short and our Q could be live as well so I'd just go with it.
Fwiw I don't think the villain should fold after he cbets that big.
He's put 5200 in and he has to call 6800 i think with ace high 7 kicker. He has to think you've hit a pair and therefore is calling trying to hit one of three aces with 2 cards to come. Something like a 12% shot.
He should fold and still have 9-10 BB's
It's a bad call
Not a bad call imo.
Well if you want to give him 1 or 2% for his miricle 77 on turn and river or club club runer runner, then so be it. let's give him 15%. Unless you want to play every time with the thought my decent c-bet raise has been shoved, he must be on the draw attitude, good luck with that one.
I suppose it depends on what type of player you are, I would put my op on atleast 2nd pair and therefore would fold and wait for an opportunity to get my 9 bb's in. if you want to gamble, bingo style and think to yourself i'm running like god, the ace will come, then call away
Regarding your play its absolutely fine once on the flop but why are you getting to that flop its a fold pre when deep in this tournament, i know its annoying when u feel someone is trying to steal your blinds however the best hand won.
Unlucky not to hit one of your outs tho
It's the same as having 9 bb's and holding pocket 2's. Someone shoves in early pos. Do you call knowing that your up against at best 2 over cards or worse an over pair?
if you call with pocket 2's you probably call here, if you fold and wait to be the shover rather than the caller, you probably fold. I like to get my money in first and i certainly don't like calling off my stack when i'm at best flipping
Board: 5s Jc Ts
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.651% 27.92% 00.74% 37310 982.50 { Ac8c }
Hand 1: 71.349% 70.61% 00.74% 94375 982.50 { AdAs, KcKh, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As4s, As3s, As2s, KTs+, Ks9s, Ks8s, Ks7s, Q9s+, Qs8s, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, 9s7s, KTo+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
So we have the odds to call against a decent range imo. You can play around with it by taking out AA/KK, adding some more flush draws, taking out KQ if hero would 3bet this pre etc. but either way its close, and if you aren't prepared to gamble (especially when the call is probably slightly +EV) then you aren't gonna win tournies with these fast blind structures.
Btw your example with 22 is totally different as our equity would be less than 50% and we wouldn't have the pot odds to call unless we were very short.
sugar coat it all you want the bottom line is the guy is calling for more than half his stack when he is flipping at best and could very well be less than 20% to win the hand and that to me is a sucker play.
Poor play by villain all round to me, the minraise on flop is unlikely to get rid of the bb unless they have absolute garbage, and A8s is a vulnerable hand. A 3x raise would have set up a flop shove much more convincingly, and built the pot for it.
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.515% 32.34% 00.18% 29452 163.00 { Ac7c }
Hand 1: 67.485% 67.31% 00.18% 61302 163.00 { 55, AJs-ATs, KQs, QJs, Q9s, JTs, 98s, 8s7s, 7s6s, AJo-ATo, KQo, QJo, Q9o, JTo, 98o }
i think thats pretty accurate tbh. why dont you see him doing this with KQ salazar? he should only ever have 55 for a set because JJ,TT is easy shove preflop.
in the actual hands you should be folding preflop, as it is i would prob just donk shove the flop for maximum FE
Btw you say we are flipping at best as if flipping is a bad thing. Its not, we are getting 3/1 on our remaining chips.
I don't have a problem with flipping, i have a problem when you're flipping at best. Putting your tourney on the line and calling more than half your stack with nothing but ace high. He still had 9 BB's, that is not a lot but it was enough not to throw it all in on this hand. if he had had 5 or less, fine, throw it in, but 9 is still enough to get people to fold if they haven't got much.
i am not saying the villains min raise pre and potting the flop is good, my point is from once he has done that he has to call if he is going for the win