TONIGHTS BOUNTY HUNTER EXIT HAND

THESWISS

A tricky hand, he min raised and i had 20bbs. I pos could have raised to 6bbs but then i am almost pot commited if he shoves ie getting 2 to 1 with a hand that is strong 3 handed. I could have just called but i think i prefer the shove. The only pos error is not taking into account that he is calling shoves with poor hands. But i still think KQ should be ahead of his range. If i had had 25bbs i would have just raised to 6 or 7 bbs. 

Oh well, gutted but makes a change from finishing 25th position.

Cheers

The Swiss

Ed

HESWISSSmall blind5000.005000.00207884.02sweetthingBig blind10000.0015000.00604506.64 Your hole cards

• Q
• K

   gadgerno1FoldliamkRaise20000.0035000.00310809.34THESWISSAll-in207884.02242884.020.00sweetthingFoldliamkCall192884.02435768.04117925.32THESWISSShow

• Q
• K

liamkShow

• 10
• A

Flop  

• 9
• 3
• 4

   Turn  

• J

   River  

• J

   liamkWinPair of Jacks435768.04553693.36

GREGHOGG

Hi Ed

The hand is unreadable m8, i think you need to repost the history.

Also wouldnt this be better in the clinic?

THESWISS

In Response to TONIGHTS BOUNTY HUNTER EXIT HAND:

A tricky hand, he min raised and i had 20bbs. I pos could have raised to 6bbs but then i am almost pot commited if he shoves ie getting 2 to 1 with a hand that is strong 3 handed. I could have just called but i think i prefer the shove. The only pos error is not taking into account that he is calling shoves with poor hands. But i still think KQ should be ahead of his range. If i had had 25bbs i would have just raised to 6 or 7 bbs.  Oh well, gutted but makes a change from finishing 25th position. Cheers The Swiss Ed HESWISSSmall blind5000.005000.00207884.02sweetthingBig blind10000.0015000.00604506.64 Your hole cards Q K    gadgerno1Fold liamk Raise20000.0035000.00310809.34THESWISSAll-in207884.02242884.020.00sweetthingFoldliamkCall192884.02435768.04117925.32THESWISSShow Q K liamkShow 10 A Flop   9 3 4    Turn   J    River   J    liamkWinPair of Jacks435768.04553693.36
Posted by THESWISS

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
THESWISS	Small blind		5000.00	5000.00	207884.02
sweetthing	Big blind		10000.00	15000.00	604506.64
	Your hole cards	·       Q ·       K
gadgerno1	Fold
liamk	Raise		20000.00	35000.00	310809.34
THESWISS	All-in		207884.02	242884.02	0.00
sweetthing	Fold
liamk	Call		192884.02	435768.04	117925.32
THESWISS	Show	·       Q ·       K
liamk	Show	·       10 ·       A
Flop
		·       9 ·       3 ·       4
Turn
		·       J
River
		·       J
liamk	Win	Pair of Jacks	435768.04		553693.36

 

YOUNG_GUN

Heres mine..... thats why you should not play when not 100% play bad and lose 80% of my roll yesterday grrrr very annoying! obviously the 80% wasnt in this otherwise wouldnt be in it, was in cash playing like a donkey although eventually a £70 pot losing with someone hitting there 4 outter on the river for gut shot straight which i hit two pair, half my own fault though tbh DONT PLAY WHEN ILL PEEPS

YOUNG_GUN	Small blind		25.00	25.00	1215.00
TULSAHEAT	Big blind		50.00	75.00	1929.38
	Your hole cards	8 8
STAR99	Fold
four4two	Fold
igloomax	Raise		150.00	225.00	1987.50
rice11	Fold
YOUNG_GUN	Call		125.00	350.00	1090.00
TULSAHEAT	All-in		1929.38	2279.38	0.00
igloomax	Fold
YOUNG_GUN	All-in		1090.00	3369.38	0.00
TULSAHEAT	Unmatched bet		739.38	2630.00	739.38
YOUNG_GUN	Show	8 8
TULSAHEAT	Show	K A
Flop
		2 10 A
Turn
		10
River
		3
TULSAHEAT	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and 10s	2630.00		3369.38

THESWISS

In Response to Re: TONIGHTS BOUNTY HUNTER EXIT HAND:

Hi Ed The hand is unreadable m8, i think you need to repost the history. Also wouldnt this be better in the clinic?
Posted by GREGHOGG

Ed Giddins was questioning the shove. I am not saying he is wrong but it is close. I pos could have just called. If he had made the raise 3bbs then i think i def would have shoved but the min raise made it a trickier decision. He had made quite a few button raises before this with marginal hands.

Your thoughts Gregster

GREGHOGG

In Response to Re: TONIGHTS BOUNTY HUNTER EXIT HAND:

In Response to Re: TONIGHTS BOUNTY HUNTER EXIT HAND : Ed Giddins was questioning the shove. I am not saying he is wrong but it is close. I pos could have just called. If he had made the raise 3bbs then i think i def would have shoved but the min raise made it a trickier decision. He had made quite a few button raises before this with marginal hands. Your thoughts Gregster
Posted by THESWISS

I don't mind the shove here at all epecially because he min raised. I'm shoving back to min raises with air sometimes if i think they are constantly stealing, so KQ is perfectly good! I wouldnt just call, oop, i would shove or fold.

I certainly wouldnt be comfortable in calling with just A10 when my opponant shoves his stack though.

LML

Hey Ed.. VWP last night.. Was gutted for you in that hand

Regardless of whether or not you should have shoved (Coin flip imo..but then again I'm hardly an expert!) once you DID shove it should have got through really.. 

Ed G was quite excited about you being in the tourney from the beginning and you were pretty much the first person he told me to watch out for before the show even begun even he was checking out the players and stats.

EdGiddins

HI, ED,  welcome back to winning ways and congrats.

Thank you for posting your thoughts on the exit hand, I totally agree with you and Greg, to the vast majority of players that are constantly min-rasing you should fight back with kq BUT you  want to force a fold and win an uncontested. The reason why I didnt like your move is because you know hes probably not going to fold.. 

Lets look at some posible holdings for him[hard I know with his loose style]

22,33,44,55,66,77,88,99,tt.  its a coinflip
any ace,  your behind
total air;  you lose the hand 33% of the time.

ONly hands you want to see are qt,kj ,kt imo.

With 20bb'syou are too good to get you chips in the middle against any player, let alone a station, with anything but premium pre-flop and a made hand post-flop

scotty77

Shove is ok.

20bb is pretty playable stack....the only thing that would make me wanan jam and hope for a double up is the CL stack is 60bb so we do need a double up to play some pokerz.

You can def raise to 6x and fold to a jam imo. Althought I'd rather be 3betting light here with J9 than an actual hand. If he flats than its prob a pretty easy ship on most flop I think.

With KQ a flat call isn't terrible esp if you think you can take the pot away on dry looknig flops.

If he opens for 3xbb then shoving is far, far better.

acebarry10

In Response to Re: TONIGHTS BOUNTY HUNTER EXIT HAND:

Hey Ed.. VWP last night.. Was gutted for you in that hand Regardless of whether or not you should have shoved (Coin flip imo..but then again I'm hardly an expert!) once you DID shove it should have got through really..  Ed G was quite excited about you being in the tourney from the beginning and you were pretty much the first person he told me to watch out for before the show even begun even he was checking out the players and stats.
Posted by LML

Hi LM

Loving the hair last night, very nice

THESWISS

In Response to Re: TONIGHTS BOUNTY HUNTER EXIT HAND:

Hey Ed.. VWP last night.. Was gutted for you in that hand Regardless of whether or not you should have shoved (Coin flip imo..but then again I'm hardly an expert!) once you DID shove it should have got through really..  Ed G was quite excited about you being in the tourney from the beginning and you were pretty much the first person he told me to watch out for before the show even begun even he was checking out the players and stats.
Posted by LML

Cheers Lisa, great show last night.

THESWISS

In Response to Re: TONIGHTS BOUNTY HUNTER EXIT HAND:

In Response to Re: TONIGHTS BOUNTY HUNTER EXIT HAND : I don't mind the shove here at all epecially because he min raised. I'm shoving back to min raises with air sometimes if i think they are constantly stealing, so KQ is perfectly good! I wouldnt just call, oop, i would shove or fold. I certainly wouldnt be comfortable in calling with just A10 when my opponant shoves his stack though.
Posted by GREGHOGG

Cheers Greg. My mistake was not focussing on the fact he is calling shoves with any average hand. I still should have been ahead of his range but it was close to calling or even raising it to 6bbs. The 20bb stacked made me push.

THESWISS

In Response to Re: TONIGHTS BOUNTY HUNTER EXIT HAND:

HI, ED,  welcome back to winning ways and congrats. Thank you for posting your thoughts on the exit hand, I totally agree with you and Greg, to the vast majority of players that are constantly min-rasing you should fight back with kq BUT you  want to force a fold and win an uncontested. The reason why I didnt like your move is because you know hes probably not going to fold..  Lets look at some posible holdings for him[hard I know with his loose style] 22,33,44,55,66,77,88,99,tt.  its a coinflip any ace,  your behind total air;  you lose the hand 33% of the time. ONly hands you want to see are qt,kj ,kt imo. With 20bb'syou are too good to get you chips in the middle against any player, let alone a station, with anything but premium pre-flop and a made hand post-flop
Posted by EdGiddins

Hi Ed,

Cheers for your support last night. I think you are correct, my mistake was not acknowledging that he is calling with any hand he limps with. i assume you would have just called in that spot and looking back that would have possibly been better against that particular player. If i had seen his earlier hands that you showed on TV before i may have reconsidered.

My Sharkscope graph on Sky has flatlined in the last 18 months, lots of cashes but mostly around 25th place and hardly any final tables so last night made a change. I blame variance, hopefully i am correct and they will be like buses now.

Cheers again

Ed

THESWISS

In Response to Re: TONIGHTS BOUNTY HUNTER EXIT HAND:

Shove is ok. 20bb is pretty playable stack....the only thing that would make me wanan jam and hope for a double up is the CL stack is 60bb so we do need a double up to play some pokerz. You can def raise to 6x and fold to a jam imo. Althought I'd rather be 3betting light here with J9 than an actual hand. If he flats than its prob a pretty easy ship on most flop I think. With KQ a flat call isn't terrible esp if you think you can take the pot away on dry looknig flops. If he opens for 3xbb then shoving is far, far better.
Posted by scotty77

Cheers Scotty

shaun09

Well played theswiss. I gave you the starting you needed!

THESWISS

In Response to Re: TONIGHTS BOUNTY HUNTER EXIT HAND:

Well played theswiss. I gave you the starting you needed!
Posted by shaun09

Lol, yup not much you could do there. I'd have shoved too with your hand.

gadgerno1

Hi Swiss, Unlucky on this hand and wp last night,

obviously nothing wrong with the shove to certain players

however, no disrespect, to your opponent
the guy limp called your shove a few hand earlier with j10 suited v your 44 i think?
dont think a race v this type of player is needed

think flat would of been fine imo, hit v him, and I believe he would of struggled to
lay most things down, ie bubble (final table? his all in call wiv 55, on a k,j,9 flop

still unlucky mate, and wp

gadge

shaun09

Ye swiss i think i had alot of outs

THESWISS

In Response to Re: TONIGHTS BOUNTY HUNTER EXIT HAND:

Hi Swiss, Unlucky on this hand and wp last night, obviously nothing wrong with the shove to certain players however, no disrespect, to your opponent the guy limp called your shove a few hand earlier with j10 suited v your 44 i think? dont think a race v this type of player is needed think flat would of been fine imo, hit v him, and I believe he would of struggled to lay most things down, ie bubble (final table? his all in call wiv 55, on a k,j,9 flop still unlucky mate, and wp gadge
Posted by gadgerno1

Cheers Gadge, i think you are correct. Well played last night.

gadgerno1

thanks mate
and once again v ul

gadge