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arghhhh....

bigflop1bigflop1 Member Posts: 1,034
edited October 2010 in Poker Chat
with money being tight etc etc i have not played live in a while but decided to treat myself to a £20 freezout in my local casino last night..

i started really tight and by only playing a few hands i built up my stack from 6k to 9k then just before the break

i had jk off suit on the button when i serial raiser makes it 600 to go (75/150) i thought i should fold but decided to see a flop.. the big blind also comes along...

flop 9 10 q (rainbow)....

i was thinking happy days here and how do i get paid...

1st to act makes it 900 and the original raiser insta pushes all in for my stack i insta call and other guy folds...

hes hit top set with qq and pairs the board on the turn to hit full house and im on my way home..

is this

a = bad play - i should av folded pre   or

b = cold deck - i was entitled to see a flop v a sreial raiser in position

either way after the flop all the money was going in and now my low br means i have to wait till pay day to play again... argh.... got a 1k freeroill thursday and the premiership tho so hopefully abit of free cash to play with
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited October 2010

    i think the call is fine with someone who has been very active, so your be ahead of his range and have position. unlucky he has qq but after flop again magic flop and he got lucky to pair the board

    in summary i would have done the same very unlucky

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  • shelskishelski Member Posts: 467
    edited October 2010
    What you did was call off a 4xbb raise with  j-k os with 2 people still to act behind .Your opponent seemed aggro but it could be argued that  with 60bbs you might wait for a better hand , one worthy of re-raising with. However you did hit the nuts so what were you supposed to do after that ? When the bb led out your opponent dropped the hammer with top set. He was understandably trying to isolate on a draw heavy board and if he was behind he still had 10 outs to improve which he will do over 34% of the time. Evidently that was one of those fairly frequent  times.
    I think that maybe your question is is j-k os a decent enough hand to CALL that raise with ? Imo no cos IF you hit  there are a lot of flops that get you into trouble with kicker problems. A half hand in his range hand like k-q os is crushing you. Strangely enough if you ask yourself what flops do you want to see it's the one you got , a-q-10 and trips ( still kicker problems maybe ? ) . These don't usually happen.
    Additionally if the blinds wake up with a big hand or decide to squeeze it can kick off you are therefore effectively donating 4 bb's to a pot you won't  EVER want to participate in.
    Did you make the call because your opponent was getting to you with his aggro style ? Were you guilty of being impatient ?
    Maybe i am advocating a too passive style here ? Personally am not a big fan of k-j  What do you think ?

     
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  • bigflop1bigflop1 Member Posts: 1,034
    edited October 2010
    agrre that kj off is not a calling hand preflop... i dont think that he was getting to me by raising all the time i just thought that kj was ahead of his raising range... maybe i should have raised pre of folded... not called.. after the flop it played itself!!
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  • shelskishelski Member Posts: 467
    edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: arghhhh....:
    ... i dont think that he was getting to me by raising all the time i just thought that kj was ahead of his raising range...
    Posted by bigflop1
    Just read this.  There's a fine line. To what extent is k-j ahead of his raising range ? Is it significantly ahead ? To be fair i'm probably too tight, i usually concentrate on cash tho.
    Sometimes it's really hard to tell whether people are aggro or just in a phase of getting golden hands or worse both ! Now that certainly is ARGHHHHHHHHHHH.
    I'm guessing that if you raise here the blinds fold and your evil opponent re-raises his queens 3/4 X maybe and you fold so maybe don't play it ?
    Personally the only hands i'd call with are low to mid pairs to set mine, then fold. The rest i fold. a-a, k-k , a-k i reraise. i kinda figure you know that already tho. Oh well. Sorry if i was no help
    A long while back i read an article where Negreanu listed the classic trouble hands. K-J was one along with K-Q, A-Q, A-J, J-J etc.
    As i said i'm not too good on tourneys and usually blind away waiting too long for hands  lol
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