dym bubble should i be able to lay this down

The_Don90

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
lottery	Small blind		75.00	75.00	2820.00
The_Don90	Big blind		150.00	225.00	1645.00
	Your hole cards	4 Q
neil4safc	Fold
tails68	Fold
lottery	Call		75.00	300.00	2745.00
The_Don90	Check
Flop
		8 J 10
lottery	Check
The_Don90	Check
Turn
		9
lottery	Check
The_Don90	Bet		300.00	600.00	1345.00
lottery	Call		300.00	900.00	2445.00
River
		J
lottery	Bet		600.00	1500.00	1845.00
The_Don90	Call		600.00	2100.00	745.00
lottery	Show	J J
The_Don90	Muck	4 Q
lottery	Win	Four Jacks	2100.00		3945.00

Ok so Quads was never in my mind but every draw connects on the river, simple fold?

JohnConnor

No I don't think it is to be fair. It's very awkward because of your stack but I don't think I'm laying that down here. You can't put your opponent on clubs and you cannot put them on a FH and certainly not quads. You were ahead on the turn and he called a pot bet when he was drawing to the 10 outs for a FH or quads. Make the crying call imo. FWIW, I think you played this much better than your opponent who played every street barring the river poorly in my opinion.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: dym bubble should i be able to lay this down:

No I don't think it is to be fair. It's very awkward because of your stack but I don't think I'm laying that down here. You can't put your opponent on clubs and you cannot put them on a FH and certainly not quads. You were ahead on the turn and he called a pot bet when he was drawing to the 10 outs for a FH or quads. Make the crying call imo. FWIW, I think you played this much better than your opponent who played every street barring the river poorly in my opinion.
Posted by JohnConnor

thanks mate, good to heard from a strong dym player on this hand. As you said id rulled out the quads/FH but was thinking maybe Kx of clubs (flush and straight draw on the turn), was extremely suprised to see the quads. In the end i still managed to cash thanks the the shove any two if the time is right game and the opponent with the JJ here doubled me up again. /

DOHHHHHHH

How about betting 900 on the turn?

POKERTREV

In Response to Re: dym bubble should i be able to lay this down:

How about betting 900 on the turn?
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Not gonna make much difference here I wouldnt think, m8y boy has 3 jacks so the only possible way to make him fold is to shove on the turn and force him into thinking you have already made the straight (Which you have) then if he calls hoping his jacks are ahead then all be it. It's just very unlucky on the river.

Having made the straight - i'm shoving on the turn every time. Get em in ahead.

JohnConnor

In Response to Re: dym bubble should i be able to lay this down:

How about betting 900 on the turn?
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Yeah I can see what you're saying here mate, shut the hand down and all that. If you're going to bet 900 though I really think you should go all-in instead (you will be committed anyway). As it is I don't like the overbet anyway I just think it's overkill. I really like the pot bet it's plenty in my opinion. The guy has paid 2/1 when he must of known this wasn't the correct odds, especially in a DYM.

YOUNG_GUN

Edit- Ignore didnt read hand properly

Maybe could have folded river although marginal, mainly possible someone has KQ or FH, obv wouldnt guess quads. its all debateable though based on your opponent

DOHHHHHHH

In cash I would definitely be overbetting the turn here, the shove and the 900 bet r the same thing.....

I went with 900 because some people are plonkers and may consider 900 a better price to draw, not understanding that it's effectively an all in, and after all, we want a call here (if we're correctly pricing him out), so anything that encourages him to stack off is good.

The only hands I don't wanna see really are QK, and Qx of clubs.

If I can kill the hand now, thats fine also. 

The_Don90

i guess im a magnet for people limping JJ into, i must really suck

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
JBACKY	Small blind		150.00	150.00	1480.00
The_Don90	Big blind		300.00	450.00	1242.50
	Your hole cards	10 A
mickski	Fold
rickieb1	Fold
DICKENS27	Fold
JBACKY	Call		150.00	600.00	1330.00
The_Don90	All-in		1242.50	1842.50	0.00
JBACKY	All-in		1330.00	3172.50	0.00
JBACKY	Unmatched bet		87.50	3085.00	87.50
JBACKY	Show	J J
The_Don90	Show	10 A
Flop
		2 8 10
Turn
		J
River
		5
JBACKY	Win	Three Jacks	3085.00		3172.50

YOUNG_GUN

20 % of stack invested in bb dont mind your all in here, just unlucky your opponent has limped. right play imo

shelski

In Response to Re: dym bubble should i be able to lay this down:
I dunno man. Half the people here moan when their j-j- k-k or whatever loses to a-10 .I don't like A-10 personally but i'm old school. That reminds me it's pension day today, toodle-oooo, i'm off to the off-licence via the post office. Must take my walking cane, the streets are awash with murderers and rapists. Bit like the cash tables i fear .....