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No choice but to fold a set?
TommyD
Member Posts: 4,389
This is the second hand in the Monday D/S. The villain is a decent LAG Reg, looser pre than post to be fair. Old school thinking is of course why would someone shove after making a flush where as the new school knows this and that's why it's 'en vogue' to shove a turned flush. Either way is there anything I can beat? (I couldn't find anything the way it's played). Is this a correct fold and I welcome your comments of how I played the hand.
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| lee100 | Small blind | 10.00 | 10.00 | 5000.00 | |
| villain | Big blind | 20.00 | 30.00 | 4980.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
| ||||
| DELTA | Raise | 40.00 | 70.00 | 4960.00 | |
| nobby222 | Fold | ||||
| cross | Fold | ||||
| TommyD | Raise | 120.00 | 190.00 | 4870.00 | |
| lee100 | Fold | ||||
| villain | Call | 100.00 | 290.00 | 4880.00 | |
| DELTA | Call | 80.00 | 370.00 | 4880.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
| |||||
| villain | Bet | 370.00 | 740.00 | 4510.00 | |
| DELTA | Call | 370.00 | 1110.00 | 4510.00 | |
| TommyD | Raise | 1200.00 | 2310.00 | 3670.00 | |
| villain | Call | 830.00 | 3140.00 | 3680.00 | |
| DELTA | Fold | ||||
| Turn | |||||
| |||||
| villain | All-in | 3680.00 | 6820.00 | 0.00 | |
| TommyD | Fold | ||||
| villain | Muck | ||||
| villain | Win | 3140.00 | 3140.00 | ||
| villain | Return | 3680.00 | |||
Comments
Anyways the only thing i personally disagree with Beaneh on my personal opinion is that i like your 3-bet pre flop.
Personally i'd re-raise little more delta as they min raised make 160-200, then on flop would bet similar shove any non diamond turn. Could easily be against KQ doubt flush so will need to hit, good fold again tommyd dunno whether i could lay it down in the heat of the moment
whys that beaneh?
I would 3bet as well unless I knew that the oppo didn't call 3bets oop light, but I think normally someone min raising here isn't very good.
Your only beating a bluff here and villain dependant it's a fold most times. It would be a bit spewy for the reg to shove here without the flush, he possibly puts you on a OP to the board or a very strong hand after your 3 betting and thinks you may pay off because of your image.
No need for you to gamble in this spot when your still deep at these Blind levels and you can easily get those chips back with your style of play.
Flop I rasie more. I make it 1.5k at least.
Given this torunie and structure and our skill advantage over that table then I timeout fold. It this was the open then no way am I ever folding.
99 is a good hand at the later stages of the tournie and a snap 3bet.
early stages its like 22 or 45d we want to hit big and get paid we don't want to fold out the blinds in this spot
fair enough, your much better tourney player then me so cant really argue
You can set-mine by raising though imo if someone plays back then re-adjust i just think you have 4 best starting hand so i dont want to just call cheap im happy to start building the pot pre and re-evaluate, tuesday night in TSP poker classic i tried the other way calling pre and worked against me and have always done ok playing it strong, can you analyse some of my hands scotty i will listen to any advice
In Response to Re: No choice but to fold a set?:
not a few times beaneh i have probably had 9s 50 times + one of my favourate hands, i can understand why you flat but personally i always bet unless sizeable raise pre. maybe this is due to that im confortable playing this way? tbh the times i flatted wasnt that great as i was expecting a c bet from the opponent but as he didnt i was oop and then 10 comes on the turn and i started betting then, didnt go horrible but personally think im still goin to play 9s how i did before. maybe due to my comfort zone or you being a better post flop play who knows, one example though if your against small pp 22-88, if you call pre and comes down they hit set but 8 low you may lose quite a bit but if some has been put in pre & post then easier to get away from it. I like as you said discussing hands as i learn more that way and theres always more then 1 way to play so good to get other opinons
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John
Hi guys,
quick question.
I understand the reasoning for the three bet pre. However would you still feel the same had the initial raise not been a min raise? any difference 3x or 4x?
I ask cus i have been folding 9's to 4x from UTG. Too tight?