There's a BIG Difference you know!!!!!!! (What Type of Docter are You?)

POKERTREV

Multi-Table Tournaments
Double Your Money
Cash (Various Levels)
Satellites
Bounter Hunters
Deepstacks

Every one of these games plays differently and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to think again.

Many people who offer advice in the clinic seam to think that there is only a right or wrong way to play a hand. But I ask you this - Give me one hand where it should be played exactly the same in all of the games and levels I have listed above?

Then think to yourself - should I be offering advice on a particular post when all my experience is in Mtt's, Cash, Dyms or Satelits? etc

Well perhaps you shouldn't but all advice in the clinic is much appreciated by many, that's what the clinic is there for. But sometimes I feel brain surgeons are giving advice to a doctor in a fracture clinic.

We all specialise in certain areas of poker, but should cash players be giving advice on how to play DYM's or MTT Players giving advice on how to play Cash? or Bounty Hunter Players giving advice on how to beat the bubble in a satelite ?

Well I for one disagree with many comments / advice in the clinic being given by players who have little or no understanding of that particular type of game format.

Clearly it would make sense to separate the clinic into different categories so Doctor Brain Surgeon isn't giving out advice on how to wrap a bandage.

Mtt's (Multi Table Tournaments)
Cash (All Levels)
Dym's (Double Your Money)
Sat's (Satellites)
BH's (Bounty Hunters)
Omaha (Plus Hi & Low)
Deepstacks (6 & 10 handed)

Does anyone else think the clinic needs to be divided into specialist clinics or am I gonna be shot at dawn - if it's the latter, can you make it on a saturday as I work all week. Thanks!!!

KAM99

I don't totally agree with your subject title. Yes, there are differences, but not always BIG ones. Certainly I wouldn't want Omaha advice from some that has dabbled a couple of times but is mainly a holdem player, but other than that I don't think the advice is likely to be terrible.

What I will say is that above paragraph only applies if the advice is from a GOOD player. I've spent a couple of years posting on fulltilt, and one of the things you do tend to run into is hands posted on a regular basis from a new player with bad habits who gets advice from the players that are winning and then argues with them over his play. Then later you see the same player posting advice to another person and passing equally bad advice as his play was poor in his posted hands.

So my thoughts are this. If you post a hand for advice ideally look for the answers from those that have experience and are winning players. Sometimes this might mean listening to more than one, as often play styles can clash a little over a way they might play a hand due to the reads they see in what you have posted etc. Then you need to try to take the advice and find a way to shape it into your game, which isn't always the easy part. Which is why as people say, there is no real substitute in the end for experience. As Tom Dwan says in his Fulltilt advert, first he watched his idols, then he tried to copy everything they did, and finally he learnt to play as himself.

So in short. Take what you can from the good players responses and use it to make yourself better as you continue to make yourself your own player. Not sure you need a totally seperate clinic for each style of poker. It's like the old question of who is a better poker player, cash or tournament. Might find that its slightly weighted in favour of cash player the response, but it doesn't mean adivce on hands would be terrible from a tournament player on an individual cash hand. 

Batkin88

7 2 offsuit is a fold in all of the above And AA is a raise pre.

POKERTREV

In Response to Re: There's a BIG Difference you know!!!!!!! (What Type of Docter are You?):

I don't totally agree with your subject title. Yes, there are differences, but not always BIG ones. Certainly I wouldn't want Omaha advice from some that has dabbled a couple of times but is mainly a holdem player, but other than that I don't think the advice is likely to be terrible. What I will say is that above paragraph only applies if the advice is from a GOOD player. I've spent a couple of years posting on fulltilt, and one of the things you do tend to run into is hands posted on a regular basis from a new player with bad habits who gets advice from the players that are winning and then argues with them over his play. Then later you see the same player posting advice to another person and passing equally bad advice as his play was poor in his posted hands. So my advice is this. If you post a hand for advice ideally look for the answers from those that have experience and are winning players. Sometimes this might mean listening to more than one, as often play styles can clash a little over a way they might play a hand due to the reads they see in what you have posted etc. Then you need to try to take the advice and find a way to shape it into your game, which isn't always the easy part. Which is why as people say, there is no real substitute in the end for experience. As Tom Dwan says in his Fulltilt advert, first he watched his idols, then he tried to copy everything they did, and finally he learnt to play as himself. So in short. Take what you can from the good players responses and use it to make yourself better as you continue to make yourself your own player.
Posted by KAM99

Nice one Kam
A truly great response to my post and I fully understand where you are coming from.

I supposes at times many of us including myself are a little criticle of players offering advice when in retrospect if I only took the advice I thought was appropriate to my game and other players who read the post took advice from other posters which they thought was appropriate to there game, then I can now see from your view that the clinic is a far better place than I had originally given it credit for.

Thank you very much for your comments

Ps (you can be first in line to shoot me at dawn (Saturdays Only)

POKERTREV

In Response to Re: There's a BIG Difference you know!!!!!!! (What Type of Docter are You?):

7 2 offsuit is a fold in all of the above And AA is a raise pre.
Posted by Batkin88

Hi Batkin

Try telling ozzie08 that lol - he keeps tellin me 7 2 is the new nuts lol.

LOL_RAISE

actually in DYM's there are times when you should limp aces if the BB is all in for smaller than the actual BB on the bubble.

if everyone folds to you in the SB and you have AA with 10bbs, the BB has 8bbs im pretty sure its a shove in every single format of holdem


this forum isnt big enough to warrant more subforums really, there are only slight differences in optimal strategies in BHers/Satelites/Deepstacks/SnG's/MTT's. i think you could just have 2 subforums for cash & tournament seperately

wynne1938

I do like your post , very sound and logical.
Lets hope future formats will be as you suggest.
It will definitely be less confusing and more to the point.
I for one will certainly attend this forum more frequently.

n Response to There's a BIG Difference you know!!!!!!! (What Type of Docter are You?):

Multi-Table Tournaments Double Your Money Cash (Various Levels) Satellites Bounter Hunters Deepstacks Every one of these games plays differently and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to think again. Many people who offer advice in the clinic seam to think that there is only a right or wrong way to play a hand. But I ask you this - Give me one hand where it should be played exactly the same in all of the games and levels I have listed above? Then think to yourself - should I be offering advice on a particular post when all my experience is in Mtt's, Cash, Dyms or Satelits? etc Well perhaps you shouldn't but all advice in the clinic is much appreciated by many, that's what the clinic is there for. But sometimes I feel brain surgeons are giving advice to a doctor in a fracture clinic. We all specialise in certain areas of poker, but should cash players be giving advice on how to play DYM's or MTT Players giving advice on how to play Cash? or Bounty Hunter Players giving advice on how to beat the bubble in a satelite ? Well I for one disagree with many comments / advice in the clinic being given by players who have little or no understanding of that particular type of game format. Clearly it would make sense to separate the clinic into different categories so Doctor Brain Surgeon isn't giving out advice on how to wrap a bandage. Mtt's (Multi Table Tournaments) Cash (All Levels) Dym's (Double Your Money) Sat's (Satellites) BH's (Bounty Hunters) Omaha (Plus Hi & Low) Deepstacks (6 & 10 handed) Does anyone else think the clinic needs to be divided into specialist clinics or am I gonna be shot at dawn - if it's the latter, can you make it on a saturday as I work all week. Thanks!!!
Posted by POKERTREV

RogueCell

I'm a haematologist: this mostly causes me to haemorrhage chips in the deepies.

GREGHOGG

i dont specialise in any area but i have an opinion on everything

this means i would be excluded by all the sections lol