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Value bet this river?

christiannchristiann Member Posts: 468
edited November 2010 in The Poker Clinic
As played do you think i should be looking to value town this river?
I have no notes on the player and i can't really put her on a hand throughout with the check calling, was very confused lol.

Any comments on how i played it in general are welcome of course.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Silverfin Sit out        
christiann
 Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £23.33
ripdajaker Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £9.36
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
     
x Call   £0.10 £0.25 £15.29
cashpoi163 Fold        
x Raise   £0.35 £0.60 £22.98
ripdajaker Fold        
x Call   £0.30 £0.90 £14.99
Flop
   
  • 4
  • 4
  • J
     
christiann Bet   £0.68 £1.58 £22.30
x Call   £0.68 £2.26 £14.31
Turn
   
  • 8
     
christiann
 Bet   £1.90 £4.16 £20.40
x Call   £1.90 £6.06 £12.41

           
           
           
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  • christiannchristiann Member Posts: 468
    edited November 2010
    Oops sorry, the river is the 8 of diamonds!
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited November 2010
    you're up against a jack, a missed flushdraw, and on veryyyyyyyyyyy rare occasions u wud have gotten super unlucky and she has 8x of spades.

    U need to size your value bet to get called by a jack.. If u didnt have it, she cud have A x of spades, so u cud bet abit smaller hoping for a call from ace high once the board double pairs....

    I would definitely value bet, and expect someone with a jack to pay £3.40ish!.
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited November 2010
    agree with Doh.  Anything between 3/4 quid is fine
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited November 2010
    am i the only idiot in this world who check/calls that river. Surley a busted flush draw/J bets out here.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited November 2010
    I'd suggest that if he bets don he's more likely to have the 8s in his hand than a busted draw on a double paired board where you could easily call with ace high.
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  • cottladcottlad Member Posts: 439
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: Value bet this river?:
    am i the only idiot in this world who check/calls that river. Surley a busted flush draw/J bets out here.
    Posted by The_Don90
    A busted fd with an ace has showdown equity.  A weak jack would be happy to check.  A pocket pair < Jacks would be happy to check.  All of these hands could/would have called to river and nearly all would call a value bet.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: Value bet this river?:
    I'd suggest that if he bets don he's more likely to have the 8s in his hand than a busted draw on a double paired board where you could easily call with ace high.
    Posted by beaneh
    yea although isnt this exactly what the J wants a call from?
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  • christiannchristiann Member Posts: 468
    edited November 2010
    I thought along the same lines as you i suppose Dohhh, thought maybe she was just calling down with a jack, pretty much knew she had better when she raised the river but i cried and called.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Silverfin Sit out        
    christiann Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £23.33
    ripdajaker Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £9.36
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    		     
    x Call   £0.10 £0.25 £15.29
    cashpoi163 Fold        
    christiann Raise   £0.35 £0.60 £22.98
    ripdajaker Fold        
    x Call   £0.30 £0.90 £14.99
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • 4
    • J
    		     
    christiann Bet   £0.68 £1.58 £22.30
    x Call   £0.68 £2.26 £14.31
    Turn
       
    • 8
    		     
    christiann Bet   £1.90 £4.16 £20.40
    x Call   £1.90 £6.06 £12.41
    River
       
    • 8
    		     
    christiann Bet   £4.60 £10.66 £15.80
    x Raise   £9.20 £19.86 £3.21
    christiann Call   £4.60 £24.46 £11.20
    x Show
    • 4
    • 4
    		     
    christiann Muck
    • A
    • A
    		     
    x Win Four 4s £23.06   £26.27
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  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited November 2010
    like everything about how you played it with the sole exception of calling that river bet- the only thing it has going for it is paying for some information on your opponent because that minraise on the river is a bluff around 0% of the time. You are absolutely 100% beaten there every single time, so it doesn't matter what value you're getting to call- I don't think it's ever good.

    However, an extra 4.60 to get some accurate notes on a hand by your opponent could be a worthwhile investment I guess :)
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  • christiannchristiann Member Posts: 468
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: Value bet this river?:
    like everything about how you played it with the sole exception of calling that river bet- the only thing it has going for it is paying for some information on your opponent because that minraise on the river is a bluff around 0% of the time. You are absolutely 100% beaten there every single time, so it doesn't matter what value you're getting to call- I don't think it's ever good. However, an extra 4.60 to get some accurate notes on a hand by your opponent could be a worthwhile investment I guess :)
    Posted by DeucesLive

    Ha cheers Deuces, yeah i knew i wasn't ahead but i do that alot call just incase or to make sure lol, suppose its an area of my game i should modify!
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited November 2010
    i would bet smaller on river
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