Small stakes is very beatable by playing a good solid ABC game. Like TK says there is good money to be earnt from those stakes and also it is a good solid grounding to cash poker. ABC poker will probably see you do well upto 50/100nl. If you can't beat 4nl then I would suggest going back to the drawing board and look at your game in a totally new light. The strangest thing I find about poker is how people 'complain' about worse players than them. Now it could just be varaince giving you a good seeing too, but if you are a loser over a decent sample size at 4nl then it says a lot more about your game than it does anyone elses. Posted by scotty77
totally agree on this,solid poker by a decent player is the way to beat 2p 4p imo,maybe the biggest problem is players get impatient at "only" winning pots of 16p/20p but as tikay says,three buy-in a night =£60 a week,as for mtts being"donkaments" surly such skilled players should be able to beat 500 or so "donks"
In Response to Re: is it the place to learn : A revelation to me that post by YB, who'd have thought it over time................... Thank you for pointing this out YB and Dan for adding his intellectual insight, it takes a great player to make such an insightful observation. Posted by stien
no worries mate, I'm sure in time you'll be able to grasp the concept too.
I was in a pub playing poker the other day, we were talking about online poker. This lad asked me what level I played, I said usually 25/50. He nodded and said, yeah, thats where you start to get a decent game. I asked what he meant, he said, well the players have half a clue when you get to that level, any lower and it gets on my nerves, they call anything with junk, they could have anything etcetc.
I was like, so you want to be up against better players, and basically he said yes.
My instant assumption was, rightly or wrongly that he was a total fish for his mind even working like that.
During the course of the tourney, I came to realise that my assumption was correct and he was a total fish.
Unless 2p/4p is so mind numbingly boring to you and you detest even sitting down to play, then I would start there. I have said before, that nl4/8 for me personally was more profitable than nl10.
Of course you will get far more badbeats there than anywhere, but the amount of times you stack ppl that cant fold top pair, more than makes up for it
In Response to Re: is it the place to learn : totally agree on this,solid poker by a decent player is the way to beat 2p 4p imo,maybe the biggest problem is players get impatient at "only" winning pots of 16p/20p but as tikay says,three buy-in a night =£60 a week,as for mtts being"donkaments" surly such skilled players should be able to beat 500 or so "donks" Posted by DAVEYZZ
I've been playing Low Stakes Omaha Hi-Lo Cash for just an hour or two every night, after I've exited the Tourneys.
I sit down with £20 each night, & in 5 sessions, I've made just under £200. It's not exactly going to impress Lolufold & Co, but it's incredibly satisfying, & relaxing. And there is no need to get impatient, as a bunch of players sit down, & we chat about all sorts of nonsense in the Chat-Box.
Last night I entered three NLH Tourneys, & failed to cash in all three, so that was £44 down the shoot. I then sat in a 10p-20p Omaha Hi-Lo cash game, & aided, I confess, by a goodly dollop of run-good, the £20 was £85 inside an hour. I then lost £22 back, meaning I ended the session on £63, for a profit of £43.
So I had 6 hours poker, & it cost me a quid. During those 6 hours, I imposed a good few bad beats, & took a few. So what, it happens.
Poker really can be fun if you want it to, & it does not need to cost much.
I play 8 and 10nl and while you get the odd nutter the play isnt that bad but it's easy to make a steady profit playing tight aggresive abc poker. PS. stien are you ever happy?? Posted by donkeyplop
I saw mickjenn1 give him the slowroll of the year the other day, that cant have helped his mood, but it cheered me up lol
I was in a pub playing poker the other day, we were talking about online poker. This lad asked me what level I played, I said usually 25/50. He nodded and said, yeah, thats where you start to get a decent game. I asked what he meant, he said, well the players have half a clue when you get to that level, any lower and it gets on my nerves, they call anything with junk, they could have anything etcetc. I was like, so you want to be up against better players, and basically he said yes. My instant assumption was, rightly or wrongly that he was a total fish for his mind even working like that. During the course of the tourney, I came to realise that my assumption was correct and he was a total fish. Unless 2p/4p is so mind numbingly boring to you and you detest even sitting down to play, then I would start there. I have said before, that nl4/8 for me personally was more profitable than nl10. Of course you will get far more badbeats there than anywhere, but the amount of times you stack ppl that cant fold top pair, more than makes up for it Posted by OMahonyO
Very true
I think thats one of the reasons some ppl moan at the micro levels so much as your generaly playing against wider ranges of starting hands and more fish. If you can accept the badbeats for what they are ( sometimes time and time again ) you will beat it in the end.
In my experience tho i have learnt more playing at the higher levels against the better players and do understand your point about getting into bad habits from playing the micro stakes - You can sometimes get dragged in to playing hands you wouldn,t normally play, but as Redmond Lee (lolufold) says in the adverts on 865 "Its all about discipline"
It would be interesting to see you put an update on this thread in a few weeks on how you have got on.
In Response to Re: is it the place to learn : I saw mickjenn1 give him the slowroll of the year the other day, that cant have helped his mood, but it cheered me up lol Posted by OMahonyO
In Response to Re: is it the place to learn : Very true I think thats one of the reasons some ppl moan at the micro levels so much as your generaly playing against wider ranges of starting hands and more fish. If you can accept the badbeats for what they are ( sometimes time and time again ) you will beat it in the end. In my experience tho i have learnt more playing at the higher levels against the better players and do understand your point about getting into bad habits from playing the micro stakes - You can sometimes get dragged in to playing hands you wouldn,t normally play, but as Redmond Lee (lolufold) says in the adverts on 865 "Its all about discipline" It would be interesting to see you put an update on this thread in a few weeks on how you have got on. Posted by MP33
Lol, 6 hours grinding for a loss of £1 doesnt sound like fun to me Posted by OMahonyO
"Grinding" is the clue. Others may have been "grinding", I was enjoying my hobby, playing poker with mates, & it cost me £1 for 6 hours recreation. Over the last few weeks, Online, I'm ahead about £1,300, but it comes & goes, some nights I don't win a bean, & it costs a few bob.
If we only enjoy Tourney poker on the nights we actually win, we won't enjoy many nights. But every night I start off with nice implied odds, that's half the fun.
In Response to Re: is it the place to learn : "Grinding" is the clue. Others may have been "grinding", I was enjoying my hobby, playing poker with mates, & it cost me £1 for 6 hours recreation. Over the last few weeks, Online, I'm ahead about £1,300, but it comes & goes, some nights I don't win a bean, & it costs a few bob. If we only enjoy Tourney poker on the nights we actually win, we won't enjoy many nights. But every night I start off with nice implied odds, that's half the fun. Posted by Tikay10
Yeah, I know, I kind of envy your mindset tbh. I really struggle with finding not winning, fun, but like you say, spending £1 on 6 hrs of a hobby is good value, it just doesnt suit me.
The ironic thing is, I can and do regularly play for 6 hours and am often down a lot more than £1, but I keep coming back for more
Pod1, how many tables do you play? If you only play 1 or 2, then nl4 is the perfect place to start trying to add tables. This is key at this level to dramatically increase winrate.
In Response to Re: is it the place to learn : Yeah, I know, I kind of envy your mindset tbh. I really struggle with finding not winning, fun, but like you say, spending £1 on 6 hrs of a hobby is good value, it just doesnt suit me. The ironic thing is, I can and do regularly play for 6 hours and am often down a lot more than £1, but I keep coming back for more Posted by OMahonyO
It's an age thing.
I have never enjoyed poker as much as I presently do, & yet I've always, prior to this year, played at higher levels, where it can get a bit stressy.
Live & Online I'm £15k in front for 2010 (includes a goodly amount of profit from staking other players), but it's just (Live) little comps here & there, rarely bigger than £200, & the regular stuff on Sky Poker.
I think, eventually, we all find that special place where lies contentment. I've found mine, but it took a few years to find it. For those still running at 100mph to play bigger & more, & who are treading water in effect, or getting into money trouble through poker, I have total empathy, I've been there. Not no more, though.
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A revelation to me that post by YB, who'd have thought it over time...................
Thank you for pointing this out YB and Dan for adding his intellectual insight, it takes a great player to make such an insightful observation.
I was like, so you want to be up against better players, and basically he said yes.
My instant assumption was, rightly or wrongly that he was a total fish for his mind even working like that.
During the course of the tourney, I came to realise that my assumption was correct and he was a total fish.
Unless 2p/4p is so mind numbingly boring to you and you detest even sitting down to play, then I would start there. I have said before, that nl4/8 for me personally was more profitable than nl10.
Of course you will get far more badbeats there than anywhere, but the amount of times you stack ppl that cant fold top pair, more than makes up for it
I sit down with £20 each night, & in 5 sessions, I've made just under £200. It's not exactly going to impress Lolufold & Co, but it's incredibly satisfying, & relaxing. And there is no need to get impatient, as a bunch of players sit down, & we chat about all sorts of nonsense in the Chat-Box.
Last night I entered three NLH Tourneys, & failed to cash in all three, so that was £44 down the shoot. I then sat in a 10p-20p Omaha Hi-Lo cash game, & aided, I confess, by a goodly dollop of run-good, the £20 was £85 inside an hour. I then lost £22 back, meaning I ended the session on £63, for a profit of £43.
So I had 6 hours poker, & it cost me a quid. During those 6 hours, I imposed a good few bad beats, & took a few. So what, it happens.
Poker really can be fun if you want it to, & it does not need to cost much.
playing tight aggresive abc poker.
PS. stien are you ever happy??
I think thats one of the reasons some ppl moan at the micro levels so much as your generaly playing against wider ranges of starting hands and more fish.
If you can accept the badbeats for what they are ( sometimes time and time again ) you will beat it in the end.
In my experience tho i have learnt more playing at the higher levels against the better players and do understand your point about getting into bad habits from playing the micro stakes - You can sometimes get dragged in to playing hands you wouldn,t normally play, but as Redmond Lee (lolufold) says in the adverts on 865 "Its all about discipline"
It would be interesting to see you put an update on this thread in a few weeks on how you have got on.
How I have got on with what ??
If we only enjoy Tourney poker on the nights we actually win, we won't enjoy many nights. But every night I start off with nice implied odds, that's half the fun.
The ironic thing is, I can and do regularly play for 6 hours and am often down a lot more than £1, but I keep coming back for more
I have never enjoyed poker as much as I presently do, & yet I've always, prior to this year, played at higher levels, where it can get a bit stressy.
Live & Online I'm £15k in front for 2010 (includes a goodly amount of profit from staking other players), but it's just (Live) little comps here & there, rarely bigger than £200, & the regular stuff on Sky Poker.
I think, eventually, we all find that special place where lies contentment. I've found mine, but it took a few years to find it. For those still running at 100mph to play bigger & more, & who are treading water in effect, or getting into money trouble through poker, I have total empathy, I've been there. Not no more, though.
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