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Please Hlep, Im miffed...

SolidStan1SolidStan1 Member Posts: 235
edited November 2010 in The Poker Clinic
How do u deal with hands like this?
Not blaming the site, just the player.
And, wondering is it time for bed?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
ISA Small blind  150.00 150.00 5315.00
SolidStan1 Big blind  300.00 450.00 1785.00
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • K
     
DevoDave Fold     
BLADES849 Fold     
ISA Raise  450.00 900.00 4865.00
SolidStan1 All-in  1785.00 2685.00 0.00
ISA Call  1485.00 4170.00 3380.00
ISA Show
  • 10
  • 4
   
SolidStan1 Show
  • A
  • K
   
Flop
   
  • 2
  • Q
  • 4
     
Turn
   
  • 10
     
River
   
  • 8
     
ISA Win Two Pairs, 10s and 4s 4170.00  7550.00
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  • Ploppy33Ploppy33 Member Posts: 721
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Please Hlep, Im miffed...:
    How do u deal with hands like this? Not blaming the site, just the player. And, wondering is it time for bed? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance ISA Small blind   150.00 150.00 5315.00 SolidStan1 Big blind   300.00 450.00 1785.00   Your hole cards A K       DevoDave Fold         BLADES849 Fold         ISA Raise   450.00 900.00 4865.00 SolidStan1 All-in   1785.00 2685.00 0.00 ISA Call   1485.00 4170.00 3380.00 ISA Show 10 4       SolidStan1 Show A K       Flop     2 Q 4       Turn     10       River     8       ISA Win Two Pairs, 10s and 4s 4170.00   7550.00
    Posted by SolidStan1
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited November 2010
    He makes a good call tbf.


    You have Ace high he has a pair draw and flush draw. he made his draw. you lose.

    you shouldn't be miffed.


    maybe a tad. but not really too miffed.  maybe ever so slightly jaded.


    KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON :)
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  • SolidStan1SolidStan1 Member Posts: 235
    edited November 2010
    Thanks both, great advice, Ploppys is proberly eaiser option tho..
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  • shelskishelski Member Posts: 467
    edited November 2010
    chill baby and check this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STRgG38T6sc
    sadness can never be more poignant.
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  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,072
    edited November 2010
    the villain made the call pre flop, how is it a good call???
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  • TombmxTombmx Member Posts: 17
    edited November 2010

    crazy all in, depends on the torny though, if its a freeroll, some people just couldnt care less

    Unlucky. bad call from him

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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: Please Hlep, Im miffed...:
    the villain made the call pre flop, how is it a good call???
    Posted by waller02

    because the odds he is getting on his money are better than his percentage chance of winning the pot both versus Ak and a selection of hands.
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  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,072
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: Please Hlep, Im miffed...:
    In Response to Re: Please Hlep, Im miffed... : because the odds he is getting on his money are better than his percentage chance of winning the pot both versus Ak and a selection of hands.
    Posted by beaneh
    yeah didn't see that, plus he would have had over 3k left had he missed. so basically he should have called with any 2 cards? i just couldn't make the call with 10 4 though but maybe thats where i'm going wrong. if you have the odds call?
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: Please Hlep, Im miffed...:
    In Response to Re: Please Hlep, Im miffed... : yeah didn't see that, plus he would have had over 3k left had he missed. so basically he should have called with any 2 cards? i just couldn't make the call with 10 4 though but maybe thats where i'm going wrong. if you have the odds call?
    Posted by waller02

    Yup :-)
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited November 2010
    It wasn't as bad as it first appears.

    Preflop the equity was Ah-Kh 65%, Ts-4s 35%, ie 1.86/1.00 against ISA. After your shove ISA had to put in 1485 chips to win 2685, that's the same as getting odds of 1.81/1.

    So even if you showed him your hole cards before he decided to call he was only making a very slight -ev call (on average a loss of 86 chips per call). If it was a Bounty Hunter tournament the value of your bounty means he was making a +ev call. 

    He only would have been in worse shape if you held a pair from TT up.
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  • goodylad21goodylad21 Member Posts: 693
    edited November 2010
    I take it this is either a £30 or £50 DYM going off the names at the table ?

    ISA must be the chip daddy & has absolutely no reason to make this call, there is 4 people left & he is guaranteed to get into the money, if he has half a brain :)

    The last thing he should be doing is gambling with 10 4 sooted when there is a very good chance of doubling one of the shorties up !!

    Summary = VERY BAD CALL (unlucky stan) lol !!

    FIGHT FIGHT !!
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  • HartshorNHartshorN Member Posts: 616
    edited November 2010
    Who cares about equity when someone is pushing half there stack in with 10 4, come on people get a grip you wouldn't do it.
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  • HartshorNHartshorN Member Posts: 616
    edited November 2010
    Who cares about equity when someone is pushing half there stack in with 10 4, come on people get a grip you wouldn't do it.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited November 2010
    lol calling 10 /4 terrible whatever format imo unless you have like 1 opponenet and commited with blinds

    totally disagree should call any 2 here cause the odds
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  • PistoPisto Member Posts: 12
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: Please Hlep, Im miffed...:
    Who cares about equity when someone is pushing half there stack in with 10 4, come on people get a grip you wouldn't do it.
    Posted by HartshorN
    Agree completely, its a terror move.
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  • ParaPokerSParaPokerS Member Posts: 10
    edited November 2010

    If you're behind and call then it's a bad call regardless of odds, money and percentages because odds are you'll lose. FACT.

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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: Please Hlep, Im miffed...:
    If you're behind and call then it's a bad call regardless of odds, money and percentages because odds are you'll lose. FACT.
    Posted by ParaPokerS

    Dis-agree with that statement, not necesary there are situations where you have to go in knowing your behind but you get odds etc. the above hand i agree should not be calling with 10 4, but after all live cards and each to their own but that is poor play
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  • ParaPokerSParaPokerS Member Posts: 10
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: Please Hlep, Im miffed...:
    In Response to Re: Please Hlep, Im miffed... : Dis-agree with that statement, not necesary there are situations where you have to go in knowing your behind but you get odds etc. the above hand i agree should not be calling with 10 4, but after all live cards and each to their own but that is poor play
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    Agreed... sometimes you have to see what the flop brings BUT that still doesn't change the fact that 9 times out of 10 you'll be folding the bet on the flop with the thoughts "what could i be beating?" so in my opinion it's a bad call pre
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  • airborneukairborneuk Member Posts: 23
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Please Hlep, Im miffed...:
    How do u deal with hands like this? Not blaming the site, just the player. And, wondering is it time for bed? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance ISA Small blind   150.00 150.00 5315.00 SolidStan1 Big blind   300.00 450.00 1785.00   Your hole cards A K       DevoDave Fold         BLADES849 Fold         ISA Raise   450.00 900.00 4865.00 SolidStan1 All-in   1785.00 2685.00 0.00 ISA Call   1485.00 4170.00 3380.00 ISA Show 10 4       SolidStan1 Show A K       Flop     2 Q 4       Turn     10       River     8       ISA Win Two Pairs, 10s and 4s 4170.00   7550.00
    Posted by SolidStan1
    u only had ak high ????
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  • PistoPisto Member Posts: 12
    edited November 2010

    These odds are based on him shoving with AK which he doesn't have to have here, JJ and up are entirely possible. Calling off 1/3 of my stack with 10 4 pre, must be a losing move in the long run. I would fold to the shove and wait for a better spot.

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