Bad Call?

iBLUFF

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
xx	Small blind		200.00	200.00	5674.63
Bob10	Big blind		400.00	600.00	6206.00
	Your hole cards	10 A
TONY509	Fold
marios1964	Fold
LnarinOO	Fold
iBLUFF	Raise		1200.00	1800.00	6755.00
xx	All-in		5674.63	7474.63	0.00
Bob10	Fold
iBLUFF	Call		4674.63	12149.26	2080.37
xx	Show	Q A
iBLUFF	Show	10 A
Flop
		2 J 9
Turn
		7
River
		7
xx	Win	Pair of 7s	12149.26		12149.26

this was basily my exit hand in primo, at first i thought i played it well but now im not so sure could i of found a better spot to get my chips in?

Dollie

A 3 bet with A 10 on the button against just the blinds is fair play.  But to call a re-raise all in for your tournie life is risky, because at best you are in a race.  With over 16 BBs behind, find another spot.

Sky_Dave

Tricky and mainly dependant on the villain and image I think.

* Have you been opening the button a lot?
* Has the big blind been playing back at you when you (or anyone else) has attacked his blinds?
* Is he loose/tight?
* Does he think you're loose or tight?
* Are either you or him likely to be steaming?

All of those questions need to be asked to get an honest answer I think. However, without that info I call - I'm getting 7 to 4 on the call and my hand must match up well against his shoving range out of the big blind. I say that... I've not done the Pokerstove on it, but it can't be too bad vs a range like:

Any pocket pair
ATo+
A8s+
KQ+

iBLUFF

In Response to Re: Bad Call?:

Tricky and mainly dependant on the villain and image I think. * Have you been opening the button a lot? * Has the big blind been playing back at you when you (or anyone else) has attacked his blinds? * Is he loose/tight? * Does he think you're loose or tight? * Are either you or him likely to be steaming? All of those questions need to be asked to get an honest answer I think. However, without that info I call - I'm getting 7 to 4 on the call and my hand must match up well against his shoving range out of the big blind. I say that... I've not done the Pokerstove on it, but it can't be too bad vs a range like: Any pocket pair ATo+ A8s+ KQ+
Posted by Sky_Dave

i dont have that many reads on him but i had been playing really loose..

swiper

I think its a bad call 16 bigs behind.Mind you i only call with aa kk

rob12345

fold 4 me and find a better spot 16 big lots of play still maybe make the opening raise smaller when the blinds are big like this just save u some money

iBLUFF

In Response to Re: Bad Call?:

fold 4 me and find a better spot 16 big lots of play still maybe make the opening raise smaller when the blinds are big like this just save u some money
Posted by rob12345

thanks all for ur comments, i have to agree with u all but as this was my first time in primo or any big tomrey on sky i think i just bottled it.anyway somethink to work on if i ever play primo again.thanks

N1CK

i just open shove the button with these hands and stack size its just easier lol i think a 10 is good enough to open call a shove tho

GREGHOGG

i open to 1000 ish, and fold to a shove.

A10 is not a hand to call a shove here imo unless villain is 3 bet shoving a lot and is very loose.

But, its not the worst call in the world.

iBLUFF

In Response to Re: Bad Call?:

i open to 1000 ish, and fold to a shove. A10 is not a hand to call a shove here imo unless villain is 3 bet shoving a lot and is very loose. But, its not the worst call in the world.
Posted by GREGHOGG

hi greg he has been pretty tight but i had been stealing alot and a few hands earlier i got called bluffing with 10 high (coz its the nuts) so i was thinking he could have 22 to about 88 here and be thinking im stealing, and he had a good chance of taking me off the hand.having said that i think my call was pretty bad to but that just be because i saw the cards....

N1CK

In Response to Re: Bad Call?:

i open to 1000 ish, and fold to a shove. A10 is not a hand to call a shove here imo unless villain is 3 bet shoving a lot and is very loose. But, its not the worst call in the world.
Posted by GREGHOGG

your not wrong greg thats why i just open shove then i cant fold my hand to worse, im not sure if its the right way to look at it but its what i does

jgn

thats a really bad call but the raise was good until he re raise then you got to let it go  i think a q or higher to call.

iBLUFF

In Response to Re: Bad Call?:

thats a really bad call but the raise was good until he re raise then you got to let it go  i think a q or higher to call.
Posted by jgn

yeah i agree looking back at it now i think it was a pretty bad call becasue he was playing tight aswell...

jgn

In Response to Re: Bad Call?:

In Response to Re: Bad Call? : yeah i agree looking back at it now i think it was a pretty bad call becasue he was playing tight aswell...
Posted by iBLUFF

great minds think a like lol

iBLUFF

In Response to Re: Bad Call?:

In Response to Re: Bad Call? : great minds think a like lol
Posted by jgn

haha

DeucesLive

Call is fine. If you've got quite a loose image, then it's likely he's making a stand against you with a lot worse than AQ. There's 8 hands you really don't want to see- AK/AQ/AJ/AA/KK/QQ/JJ/TT. Pretty much anything else is good for you, and you've invested a fairly large portion of your stack just with the raise. He's just as likely to make the play with a lot worse than AQ (KQ/KJ/A7/A8/A9) as well as marginal pps- if you've been opening a lot, possibly even hands like 910s/10Js etc. If he's been extremely quiet throughout, and not getting out of line, then I'd perhaps let him have this one. But I think quite often A10 is a good enough hand to get your chips in and go for the double up- you've invested 3bbs and it's only costing another 11.5 now to call. His range matches up fairly well against that I think.

iBLUFF

In Response to Re: Bad Call?:

Call is fine. If you've got quite a loose image, then it's likely he's making a stand against you with a lot worse than AQ. There's 8 hands you really don't want to see- AK/AQ/AJ/AA/KK/QQ/JJ/TT. Pretty much anything else is good for you, and you've invested a fairly large portion of your stack just with the raise. He's just as likely to make the play with a lot worse than AQ (KQ/KJ/A7/A8/A9) as well as marginal pps- if you've been opening a lot, possibly even hands like 910s/10Js etc. If he's been extremely quiet throughout, and not getting out of line, then I'd perhaps let him have this one. But I think quite often A10 is a good enough hand to get your chips in and go for the double up- you've invested 3bbs and it's only costing another 11.5 now to call. His range matches up fairly well against that I think.
Posted by DeucesLive

thansk for the advice deuces, half of the posts say i played it well and half said i didnt so im not sure.but i dont think i made the right call tbh as he has been tight at the table and when he shoves i surely gotta give him respect for  a hand.But on the other hand if he knows i steal blinds alot like he does he could be doing that with anythink from 22 thinking i will just fold.... confused <!!!!!!!