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i butchered this hand, much i could have done different

The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
edited December 2010 in The Poker Clinic
OK the raiser is the kinda guy who literally could have any two cards.  The turn i checked to shove myself.

Pre-flop when the big mistake happened. I felt a little priced in and i felt i could play against these opponents OOP post flop which obviously added the implied odds. Ok so i get a lil lucky to flop two pair, of coarse the 8 worries me if J9 is in the hand. So the check raise gets me the info on this.

Anyways opinions please.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
The_Don90 Small blind  10.00 10.00 5030.00
 Big blind  20.00 30.00 4590.00
  Your hole cards
  • 10
  • Q
     
 Raise  60.00 90.00 4845.00
 Call  60.00 150.00 5425.00
Fold     
The_Don90 Call  50.00 200.00 4980.00
 Call  40.00 240.00 4550.00
Flop
   
  • 10
  • 8
  • Q
     
The_Don90 Check     
 Check     
 Bet  120.00 360.00 4725.00
 Fold     
The_Don90 Raise  480.00 840.00 4500.00
 Call  480.00 1320.00 4070.00
 Raise  720.00 2040.00 4005.00
The_Don90 Call  360.00 2400.00 4140.00
 Call  360.00 2760.00 3710.00
Turn
   
  • K
     
The_Don90 Check     
 Bet  380.00 3140.00 3330.00
 All-in  4005.00 7145.00 0.00
The_Don90 All-in  4140.00 11285.00 0.00
 All-in  3330.00 14615.00 0.00
The_Don90 Unmatched bet  135.00 14480.00 135.00
The_Don90 Show
  • 10
  • Q
   
 Show
  • 7
  • J
   
 Show
  • A
  • A
   
River
   
  • A
     
 Win Straight to the Ace 13890.00  13890.00
 Win Three Aces 590.00  590.00
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited December 2010
    whooo got HH working
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited December 2010
    get it in on flop dont call, other then that ul
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: i butchered this hand, much i could have done different:
    get it in on flop dont call, other then that ul
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN

    ok my reasoning is as follows although shouldn't have put results as i said

    i think im good on flop i aim to get in as much as possible here, when he re-raised your raise here i would make decision either to ship it or just call. i would ship if i think i am ahead, against draws weaker hand etc. only way i would call is if i think im behind but have outs eg. 10 or Q house up. in that case i fold to the shove as we missed

    also as we mentioned possible to have straight here again on that flop if you think they have a straight would again just call/fold problem is you have 4 outs max so would prefer the fold

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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited December 2010

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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited December 2010
    folding preflop wouldnt be a big mistake...
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: i butchered this hand, much i could have done different:
    folding preflop wouldnt be a big mistake...
    Posted by N1CK
    i full do admit to this point.
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited December 2010
    i think you played the flop ok.  too deep to stack off here so its not  abad idea to get to a safe turn and half the opponents equity.

    the K tho is not a safe card.

    doubt im folding tho here tbf tho so ul
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited December 2010
    I can find a fold on the turn i think... that K is one horrid card
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited December 2010
    Have the photo approving department closed down for Christmas already?
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited December 2010
    haha picture approved :)
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited December 2010

    lol gr8 picture.

    first level, no time wasted if u lose, jam the flop.


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  • zilean99zilean99 Member Posts: 37
    edited December 2010

    With the stacks so deep, I think a fold is the best option on the turn. It's turned into an awful board for middle two pair and another player to act behind. Fold, and wait for a better spot imo.

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  • NHNH Member Posts: 20
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: i butchered this hand, much i could have done different:
    i think you played the flop ok.  too deep to stack off here so its not  abad idea to get to a safe turn and half the opponents equity. the K tho is not a safe card. doubt im folding tho here tbf tho so ul
    Posted by scotty77
    Why are we are waiting for a safe turn but still getting it when the K comes?
    I'm probably getting it in on the flop unless I knew my opponents to be solid and most likely have a set. 
    I would be much more wary of a set in this spot than J9. 
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited December 2010
    can i just ask why is the K no a safe card.

    The only things that improve is AJ (straight), KQ/K10 (better two pair), AK (which would now pay us off), KK(set)

    So then look at the flop action. AK/AJ/K10 usually would be folded. So only KK and KQ of these hands should really still be in, or am i misssing the point?
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