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FULL HOUSE TURNED INTO A BLUFF GONE WRONG

INFINITYEVINFINITYEV Member Posts: 11
edited December 2010 in The Poker Clinic

Please help as I think I messed this hand up pre flop, flop, turn and river :(

When he checks the river I put him on a Q and thought I could get him to fold and take the whole pot instead of splitting it.  What hand do you put him and how do you think I should have played all the streets.  I couldn't put him on quads as he bet out when the third 8 hit on the turn.  Should I have just checked behind river or should I have called his river shove?

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
TATTIES Small blind £0.10 £0.10 £22.90
INFINITYEV Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £19.84
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • Q
     
blwcdenn Raise  £0.80 £1.10 £7.79
helmey Fold     
PURPLE_AKI Fold     
TATTIES Call  £0.70 £1.80 £22.20
INFINITYEV Call  £0.60 £2.40 £19.24
Flop
   
  • 8
  • Q
  • 8
     
TATTIES Bet  £2.20 £4.60 £20.00
INFINITYEV Call  £2.20 £6.80 £17.04
blwcdenn Fold     
Turn
   
  • 8
     
TATTIES Bet  £3.00 £9.80 £17.00
INFINITYEV Call  £3.00 £12.80 £14.04
River
   
  • A
     
TATTIES Check     
INFINITYEV Bet  £8.00 £20.80 £6.04
TATTIES Raise  £16.00 £36.80 £1.00
INFINITYEV Fold     
TATTIES Muck     
TATTIES Win  £27.36  £28.36
TATTIES Return  £8.00 £1.44 £36.36
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  • LMLS2LMLS2 Member Posts: 22
    edited December 2010

    Dunno why you think you messed up flop or turn, what else can you do on those streets? Maybe you can raise flop against some players with enough history but mostly it's just a call. Preflop isn't necessarily bad, I can see all 3 options being viable depending on how wide the guy is opening pre and how he plays to a reraise. River I'd just check back cause I wouldn't expect anyone at 10p/20p to check/fold a Queen and they may sometimes get tricky with an ace, risk not worth the reward.

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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited December 2010

    check river, as i told u at the time!:)



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  • bigwelshybigwelshy Member Posts: 4
    edited December 2010
    im guessin he had a 10, a j type hand and hes just fired out on the paired flop as quite often here is ace high is gd, especially if the original raiser has been active.
    personally id probably like to see a raise on the turn, surely you want to try and make the pot bigger here as 4 times out of 5 the river isnt an overcard and you have the best hand??? plus the 3rd 8 for me rules out the chance of him holding one.
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  • HartshorNHartshorN Member Posts: 616
    edited December 2010
    I could put him on an 8 here, he obviously has a read on you, sees you betting and representing the Queen, he hits the quads and wants to build the pot for value on the river. And when hes bravely check the river and then min-raised, alarms bells ring for quads.

    Therefore i'd be checking the river here, especially with an overcard to your queen. Wasn't too much wrong with the rest of your play imo.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited December 2010
    Surely you can call the river getting 6/1?
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  • Ms_ChipsMs_Chips Member Posts: 256
    edited December 2010
    it's really tough without a read, 20nl players from the sb could really have anything. However without a  read I think the clue lies in his flop bet and 90% of the time we could bet reraising a donk bet on a paired board that isn't drawing with your whole range from BB. If he's a tight player calling a utg open from the sb then I think you can narrow him down to AQ here but it's extremely tough without any history or read.
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: FULL HOUSE TURNED INTO A BLUFF GONE WRONG:
    it's really tough without a read, 20nl players from the sb could really have anything. However without a  read I think the clue lies in his flop bet and 90% of the time we could bet reraising a donk bet on a paired board that isn't drawing with your whole range from BB. If he's a tight player calling a utg open from the sb then I think you can narrow him down to AQ here but it's extremely tough without any history or read.
    Posted by Ms_Chips

    I was watching the hand at the time and this was my assumption. AQ makes the most sense.

    I don't think they have the 8.
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  • waynecwaynec Member Posts: 1,023
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: FULL HOUSE TURNED INTO A BLUFF GONE WRONG:
    Surely you can call the river getting 6/1?
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    As JJ says 6/1 you have to make a crying call.... and spew if ur beat
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  • INFINITYEVINFINITYEV Member Posts: 11
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: FULL HOUSE TURNED INTO A BLUFF GONE WRONG:
    check river, as i told u at the time!:)
    Posted by GREGHOGG
    IT IS YOUR FAULT I LOST THE HAND AS I WAS GOING TO FOLD PRE FLOP BUT YOU TOLD ME TO CALL, SO I BLAME YOU ;)
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited December 2010

    It's another 6 to win 34.80?

    He has just a queen enough times here to justify calling for a split.


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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: FULL HOUSE TURNED INTO A BLUFF GONE WRONG:
    In Response to Re: FULL HOUSE TURNED INTO A BLUFF GONE WRONG : I bet £8 he raised to £16, so surely I have to call £8 or have I messed up my math somewhere?
    Posted by INFINITYEV
    You left yourself with £6.04 behind

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  • INFINITYEVINFINITYEV Member Posts: 11
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: FULL HOUSE TURNED INTO A BLUFF GONE WRONG:
    In Response to Re: FULL HOUSE TURNED INTO A BLUFF GONE WRONG : You left yourself with £6.04 behind
    Posted by GREGHOGG
    Good Point but that doesn't excuse the fact that you lost me the money Greg as I was going to fold. LOL
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  • LMLS2LMLS2 Member Posts: 22
    edited December 2010
    Not necessarily if he told you to check the river. LOL!
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: FULL HOUSE TURNED INTO A BLUFF GONE WRONG:
    It's another 6 to win 34.80? He has just a queen enough times here to justify calling for a split.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    so then its 6 to win 17.3... we have to chop 25% of the time
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  • WHOAMI196WHOAMI196 Member Posts: 1,170
    edited December 2010
    ji
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited December 2010
    auto call river, curse when they show ace but considering amount you have put in the pot cannot fold
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited December 2010
    don't bet river. once you do hate life and be like oh my days get stuffed i've got a ruddy full house and they don't come around that often and I dont wanna lose this pot and you're not very nice why did  you check raise me the min how dare you grrrrr buggggggger hmmmmmm CAWLLLL SHOW ME A BLUFF GODDDAMMIT asl;dkjfalksdjflaskdj;fkladf how do you have the Ace get beeeent.


    something like that.


    also generally don't try and make your self bluff with full houses. lawl
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