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Should I have shoved here??

PhilGood13PhilGood13 Member Posts: 6
edited December 2010 in The Poker Clinic
I'm new to Sky Poker and was wondering, should I have shoved here 6handed with the blinds at 800/1600 and me sitting with about 11 BB. I raised it pre-flop to about 3,700 and was re-raised, so I couldn't just call it with the stack I had and the blinds just about to go up again, should I have played i differently??

3203081352010-12-20 20:27:3372264.50J95523825112.00heartftl won 22424.00 with a Pair of 5sSilentBR won 43300.00 with a Two Pairs, Kings and 5s
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  • PhilGood13PhilGood13 Member Posts: 6
    edited December 2010

    Ignore the first post, I done it wrong.
    Same question with this hand, im sitting about 12 BB deep, should I have played it differently??
    Hand History #320308135 (20:28 20/12/2010)

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    heartftl Small blind  800.00 800.00 30852.50
    melv91 Big blind  1600.00 2400.00 15411.26
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • 9
    		     
    lgs6k Fold     
    PhilGood13 Call  1600.00 4000.00 23512.00
    SilentBR Raise  3200.00 7200.00 10700.00
    timoth1976 Fold     
    heartftl Call  2400.00 9600.00 28452.50
    melv91 Fold     
    PhilGood13 Raise  4700.00 14300.00 18812.00
    SilentBR Call  3100.00 17400.00 7600.00
    heartftl All-in  28452.50 45852.50 0.00
    PhilGood13 All-in  18812.00 64664.50 0.00
    SilentBR All-in  7600.00 72264.50 0.00
    heartftl Unmatched bet  6540.50 65724.00 6540.50
    heartftl Show
    • J
    • A
    		   
    PhilGood13 Show
    • J
    • 9
    		   
    SilentBR Show
    • K
    • K
    		   
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 5
    • 2
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 3
    		     
    River
       
    • 8
    		     
    SilentBR Win Two Pairs, Kings and 5s 43300.00  43300.00
    heartftl Win Pair of 5s 22424.00  28964.50
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited December 2010

    A limp, minraise, flat call. Sat with J9 it's a snap fold, if just one player was involved and they minraised you could have shoved to steal the dead money hoping they fold but here there's been too much interest.

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  • FatBoy89FatBoy89 Member Posts: 53
    edited December 2010

    Hi and welcome I wouldn't have flat called with 11 BB to be honest.Once u flat called and got raised and someone else called the raise it's a definite fold in my opinion. Then you re-raised and he shoved it's a definite fold, but i don't think the shove is the right play in this situation.

     If you really wanted to play this hand i would have just put it all in or folded.

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  • shelskishelski Member Posts: 467
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: Should I have shoved here??:
    j-9 sux j-10's  ( a pointless optomists' schidt hand ) werthers original. W8 for better if u wanna shove imo. Q-2 dominates j-9 it's numerical see ?
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited December 2010
    Welcome to the forum m8

    Im going to be brutally honest. I hate the way you played this hand.

    Preflop you had 3 options imo.

    1. Open shove, not terrible, but not advisable from utg+1 really with about 14bbs but im ok with this.

    2. raise to  c. 3.8k to blind steal, and fold to reshove. Not crazy about this either but again, fine.

    3. FOLD

    out of all the 3 i favour the fold.

    I am afraid that what you did makes no sense. No one is ever folding pre, as you are pricing them in with your reraise. You dont want action with j9s oop!

    P.S, you didnt shove, you CALLED! with J high!
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  • PhilGood13PhilGood13 Member Posts: 6
    edited December 2010
    Put it down to inexperience, being impatient and frustration. I was a bit annoyed with a few players (at this table, as before I moved it was fine) making moves on me. Thanks for the constructive criticism, I will of course take it on board. By the way, what does UTG+1 mean (I know it stands for Under The Gun), its a term i continue to hear but have never really got.
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: Should I have shoved here??:
    Put it down to inexperience, being impatient and frustration. I was a bit annoyed with a few players (at this table, as before I moved it was fine) making moves on me. Thanks for the constructive criticism, I will of course take it on board. By the way, what does UTG+1 mean (I know it stands for Under The Gun), its a term i continue to hear but have never really got.
    Posted by PhilGood13
    UTG+1 means the person next to act after UTG, so it's the person immediately to the left of UTG.

    Everybody makes loads of mistakes when they're inexperienced. The ones who go on to do well are those who are prepared to learn by their mistakes rather than just ignore them or blame it on bad luck. Looking back at crucial hands that went wrong, working out if you could have done better and seekinhg opinions from others is a great way to improve your game, so keep it up. Good luck.
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