1) who said we were going to bluff the river if we miss? 2) have fun hitting draws and finding out theres only 5bbs in the pot. (we wont go into the whole exploitable thing) 3) wat.
1) who said we were going to bluff the river if we miss? 2) have fun hitting draws and finding out theres only 5bbs in the pot. (we wont go into the whole exploitable thing) 3) wat. Posted by LOL_RAISE
This cat knows his biscuits. I wouldn't be too rushed to play him. Believe.
In Response to Re: Call or fold? : So if you miss your draw on the river what are you going to do??? Raise check/fold ....confused .com you can build the pot with big draws but it is key to control the pot size, so that you can give up on the river if opponent is persistent or have enough fold equity to pull off the final barrel oh and learn your odds then you will understand my last reason, its just not +EV Posted by WHOAMI196
lol we have an OESFD and you are saying that betting is -EV
In Response to Re: Call or fold? : why is it?? BTW were talking about over betting the pot to gain a bigger pot! without a MADE hand!!! Posted by WHOAMI196
whenever we flop an OESFD then its fairly standard to assume all of our outs are clean.
with the amount of equity an OESFD has, then we are a favourite against most hands.
Whoami, your posts make little sense tbf. When we bet we never give ourselves worse than 1-1 on our money, and seeing as we have better than 50% equity against his range any amount we bet is +EV.
By betting a larger amount on the flop we can maximise winnings for when we do hit (as obv size of value bets on future streets are normally in proportion to pot size).
In Response to Re: Call or fold? : OMG Im just going to be repeating myself here m8........to put it simply if you risk £2 to win £1 then ur giving yourself 1-2 so int that worse than 1-1 anyhoo iv debated long enough on this subject a bit fed up of it if im honest just trying to point out that over betting is pointless. Posted by WHOAMI196
You're wrong. In your example we are wagering £2 to win a total of £3 if we end up having the best hand (the £1 that was in the pot and an additional £2 that the opponent must pay to continue in the hand). This means we are receiving odds of 3/2.
To prove that its +EV I'll assume his equity is exactly 50% against me and he never folds to the flop bet, and for sake of argument I bet £5. My EV = (2.5 + 5)*0.5 - 5*0.5 = 1.25
This is a positive value hence the overbet is +EV. In reality he will fold to the flop bet sometimes and my equity is better than 50% if he continues so its even more +EV.
This post is tilting me and I've got nothing to do with it. Dunno why you even bother posting hands yb. Only people who can help you would never reply. Getting advice from 2p 4p players isnt going to help your game. You played it fine. And you bet pot on flop. Hardly an overbet. Defo not -ev. All this talk about odds on flop is so irrelevant.
Edit - just reread the thread. I didnt realise lol_raise suggested overbetting the flop. Thought people were saying you bet too big on flop. Pretty hard to build a big pot in a limped pot anyway. Overbetting flop defo isnt -EV, but I think you played it best, because as beaneh said, overbetting pushes out so many weaker hands. That might call and fold on turn.
This post is tilting me and I've got nothing to do with it. Dunno why you even bother posting hands yb. Only people who can help you would never reply.Getting advice from 2p 4p players isnt going to help your game.You played it fine. And you bet pot on flop. Hardly an overbet. Defo not -ev. All this talk about odds on flop is so irrelevant. Posted by 5toneFace
What a ridiculously arrogant thing to say! (and incorrect imo) the poker clinic is there for all and comments like yours do not encourage more people to post.
The more views we get from all standards of play, the stronger this part of the forum will become which can only help everyone.
lol, I never said the poker clinic cant help any players. But how can someone who regularly plays 10nl, help a player who plays 100nl?? This post is an example of how they cant. Just causes confusion. And gives bad advice.
lol, I never said the poker clinic cant help any players. But how can someone who regularly plays 10nl, help a player who plays 100nl?? This post is an example of how they cant. Just causes confusion. And gives bad advice. Posted by 5toneFace
if he doesn't give bad advice which is corrected then he will not learn, the idea of these forum post is for everyone to try and get something out of it not just the op
lol, I never said the poker clinic cant help any players. But how can someone who regularly plays 10nl, help a player who plays 100nl?? This post is an example of how they cant. Just causes confusion. And gives bad advice. Posted by 5toneFace
The principles are the same regardless of the stakes. There are some very competent 10nl players, and some bad regular 100nl players for example...
We dont have to justify how good we are on a particular subject before commenting. People can listen to or ignore what they like. Confusion is fine imo, as long as the discussion is positive. What someone thinks is bad advice, someone else may think is good advice.
This is a forum for open discussion for everyone, not a rule book for high rollers.
In Response to Re: Call or fold? : if he doesn't give bad advice which is corrected then he will not learn, the idea of these forum post is for everyone to try and get something out of it not just the op Posted by N1CK
Yes I totally agree. But only when they listen. Anyway Ill leave your forum back to you all now. Said what I wanted to say.
In Response to Re: Call or fold? : The principles are the same regardless of the stakes. There are some very competent 10nl players, and some bad regular 100nl players for example... We dont have to justify how good we are on a particular subject before commenting. People can listen to or ignore what they like. Confusion is fine imo, as long as the discussion is positive. What someone thinks is bad advice, someone else may think is good advice. This is a forum for open discussion for everyone, not a rule book for high rollers. Posted by GREGHOGG
I kind of agree with you. Other than this. This quote is so wrong. The game at 100nl is so different to 10nl.
In Response to Re: Call or fold? : Yes I totally agree. But only when they listen. Anyway Ill leave your forum back to you all now. Said what I wanted to say. Posted by 5toneFace
In Response to Re: Call or fold? : I kind of agree with you. Other than this. This quote is so wrong. The game at 100nl is so different to 10nl. Posted by 5toneFace
Ok fair point. I wrote that in haste. I think we agree now btw!
I agree with overbetting the flop, build a pot ok ... tell your opponent you already have a made hand (Why play to the river everytime? Poker isnt JUST about banging on about odds its about adjusting your game to different players and using that to your advantage. Obv you cannot overbet the pot here everytime it happens, but in some situations you can and some you cannot! I know the villain here very well and i am not going to slate there play but they do win alot of pots with huge ranges and you could be ahead here on my notes but is could good enough for that price? nope! Good fold well played and LOL_Raise spot on IMO.
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2) have fun hitting draws and finding out theres only 5bbs in the pot. (we wont go into the whole exploitable thing)
3) wat.
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whenever we flop an OESFD then its fairly standard to assume all of our outs are clean.
with the amount of equity an OESFD has, then we are a favourite against most hands.
By betting a larger amount on the flop we can maximise winnings for when we do hit (as obv size of value bets on future streets are normally in proportion to pot size).
To prove that its +EV I'll assume his equity is exactly 50% against me and he never folds to the flop bet, and for sake of argument I bet £5.
My EV = (2.5 + 5)*0.5 - 5*0.5 = 1.25
This is a positive value hence the overbet is +EV. In reality he will fold to the flop bet sometimes and my equity is better than 50% if he continues so its even more +EV.
but you tilt me so I'm going to stop now.
Edit - just reread the thread. I didnt realise lol_raise suggested overbetting the flop. Thought people were saying you bet too big on flop.
Pretty hard to build a big pot in a limped pot anyway. Overbetting flop defo isnt -EV, but I think you played it best, because as beaneh said, overbetting pushes out so many weaker hands. That might call and fold on turn.
The more views we get from all standards of play, the stronger this part of the forum will become which can only help everyone.
We dont have to justify how good we are on a particular subject before commenting. People can listen to or ignore what they like. Confusion is fine imo, as long as the discussion is positive. What someone thinks is bad advice, someone else may think is good advice.
This is a forum for open discussion for everyone, not a rule book for high rollers.
I agree with overbetting the flop, build a pot ok ... tell your opponent you already have a made hand (Why play to the river everytime? Poker isnt JUST about banging on about odds its about adjusting your game to different players and using that to your advantage. Obv you cannot overbet the pot here everytime it happens, but in some situations you can and some you cannot! I know the villain here very well and i am not going to slate there play but they do win alot of pots with huge ranges and you could be ahead here on my notes but is could good enough for that price? nope! Good fold well played and LOL_Raise spot on IMO.