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HU/blind on blind - shallow stacked - tactics?

DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
edited December 2010 in The Poker Clinic

This is a pretty huge subject, about how to play from the small blind in a heads up situation.
I have loads of questions, I wrote out a post and it just made no sense, so will try to keep it simple and hope I get something out of it.

(out of interest has anyone ever taken HU sngs really seriously? like played a load of them??)

Both stacks are 10 big blinds.

My playable range from the small blind is going to be all pairs, aces kings, queens and suited jacks.

Is it correct to jam 100% of this range? Or is it ever correct to try and induce here?

If min raising to induce with 88+ AJs+ is a valid tactic, it also allows me to build in total junk hands as a steal? For example min raise then fold w/ 2-3o to balance the times that I'm min raising aces?.....

But then raise/folding from a 10xbb stack is terrible? - so is the above just wrong? 8 bigs is still a winable situation when the average is 10x??????

Obviously we adapt to our opponent, but for this discussion just assume he plays a solid game, but is abit too tight when playing a 10xbb stack.

I'm hoping this post will get going, as I have loadsssssssss I wanna talk about. 




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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited December 2010
    once you get to -10BBs each there aint much play left, you can minraise vs passive who fold alot but bet folding vs aggressive opponents really sucks, open shoving is rarely bad, once you get this low its time for the Nash chart lol

    in the big blind

    vs good aggro players just default to Nash
    vs tight passive players Nash will overvalue your hands imo
    if in doubt folding is rarely bad
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited December 2010
    hu sngs are all about shoving ranges. there is no play. they suck. find a new game type.
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: HU/blind on blind - shallow stacked - tactics?:
    hu sngs are all about shoving ranges. there is no play. they suck. find a new game type.
    Posted by beaneh
    your obviously an expert lol
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: HU/blind on blind - shallow stacked - tactics?:
    In Response to Re: HU/blind on blind - shallow stacked - tactics? : your obviously an expert lol
    Posted by N1CK

    I'll tell you my 10 bb shoving ranges..... good luck trying to exploit them lmao
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited December 2010
    With 10BB you should only shove/fold from the SB unless your opponent is very weak. Shoving the top 50% of all hands is probably profitable, particularly against a tight opponent.

    I've never taken HU SnGs seriously, but a few months ago I played a couple of hundred turbo tables to sharpen my short-stack HU game for MTT final tables.
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: HU/blind on blind - shallow stacked - tactics?:
    In Response to Re: HU/blind on blind - shallow stacked - tactics? : I'll tell you my 10 bb shoving ranges..... good luck trying to exploit them lmao
    Posted by beaneh
    glad to see that your comment is less generalised now lmao
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: HU/blind on blind - shallow stacked - tactics?:
    In Response to Re: HU/blind on blind - shallow stacked - tactics? : glad to see that your comment is less generalised now lmao
    Posted by N1CK
    SNGs are dull as they come (except for dyms obv but they aren't real), HU Sngs are just bumhunting or time wasting one of the two.


    Oh look we're two levels into the hu sng and my opponent is competent oh right ok we're both just only jamming and rejamming from now on awesome what fun. so much skill involved.


    DULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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  • waynecwaynec Member Posts: 1,023
    edited December 2010
    IMO JJ with 10bb's its fold or shove.... as far as the range goes if its playable shove!!!!! In a spot like this your looking for some luck as he should be calling you with a lot of hands.
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: HU/blind on blind - shallow stacked - tactics?:
    In Response to Re: HU/blind on blind - shallow stacked - tactics? : SNGs are dull as they come (except for dyms obv but they aren't real), HU Sngs are just bumhunting or time wasting one of the two. Oh look we're two levels into the hu sng and my opponent is competent oh right ok we're both just only jamming and rejamming from now on awesome what fun. so much skill involved. DULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
    Posted by beaneh

    they are good for bumhunting why share the love?

    i play the standard 10min blinds 100 deep and even vs better players there is plenty of play the avg game last 11 mins, but i would agree the turbo 70bb games are high variance and a waste of time
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: HU/blind on blind - shallow stacked - tactics?:
    In Response to Re: HU/blind on blind - shallow stacked - tactics? : they are good for bumhunting why share the love? i play the standard 10min blinds 100 deep and even vs better players there is plenty of play the avg game last 11 mins, but i would agree the turbo 70bb games are high variance and a waste of time
    Posted by N1CK



    11 mins lawl epic length.
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: HU/blind on blind - shallow stacked - tactics?:
    In Response to  Re: HU/blind on blind - shallow stacked - tactics? : 11 mins lawl epic length.
    Posted by beaneh
    its an average taken over a large sample but your clever enough to know that xx
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited December 2010
    I just mean lawl


    pure lawls


    HU sngs can gtfo!
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited December 2010
    I once played a 200BB deep HU SnG where the blinds never went up.  It was around the 2nd tourney break with effective stacks of 196BB I started to cry.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited December 2010
    i dis-agree that hu turbos are not exploitable, at the level i play i havea big edge although i slightly agree beaneh that it is higher variance

    10 BB defo shove or fold unless you got read opponent total nit and will fold to min raise
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: HU/blind on blind - shallow stacked - tactics?:
    I just mean lawl pure lawls HU sngs can gtfo!
    Posted by beaneh
    if they are so boring what you doing here? eh? eh? go back to you 6max nitty threads lol
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