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JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise

The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
edited December 2010 in The Poker Clinic
Opinions on this - i had been rather tight and aggressive till this point always c-betting. This was first time this opponent called me pre.
ayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Blue_Zero Small blind  100.00 100.00 5036.25
The_Don90 Big blind  200.00 300.00 5361.25
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • J
     
xCall  200.00 500.00 8917.50
archdigger Fold     
DrFoster Fold     
mikano Fold     
Blue_Zero Fold     
The_Don90 Raise  400.00 900.00 4961.25
xCall  400.00 1300.00 8517.50
Flop
   
  • 4
  • 8
  • 4
     
The_Don90 Bet  975.00 2275.00 3986.25
xAll-in  8517.50 10792.50 0.00
The_Don90 ??????
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  • WHOAMI196WHOAMI196 Member Posts: 1,170
    edited December 2010
    ur givin ur opponent 41/2 to 1 here for ur opponent so he can call with virtually anything not good. 

    around the 700-900 is better, main reason for this is you can distinguish his hand better also bearing in mind if the limper calls you are going to be out of position not great.

    Unlike cash games you can get urself committed to a hand easily meaning you cant really be folding in this spot on the flop(leaving urself with 20 bb is bad) It looks like ur opponent has a small pair.

    insta call flop for me don.


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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited December 2010

    eekk i meant tight aggressive

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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:
    ur givin ur opponent 41/2 to 1 here for ur opponent so he can call with virtually anything not good.  around the 700-900 is better, main reason for this is you can distinguish his hand better also bearing in mind if the limper calls you are going to be out of position not great. Unlike cash games you can get urself committed to a hand easily meaning you cant really be folding in this spot on the flop(leaving urself with 20 bb is bad) It looks like ur opponent has a small pair. insta call flop for me don. EDIT one thing you cant be passive and aggressive but i knew what u meant
    Posted by WHOAMI196

    How much is this ?....oh 4.5
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  • shelskishelski Member Posts: 467
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:

    I don't understand why you didn't ram this partyboy aipf ?
    Just call it doesn't matter what they got it's just right.
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  • WHOAMI196WHOAMI196 Member Posts: 1,170
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:
    In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise : How much is this ?....oh 4.5
    Posted by N1CK
    a bit petty that fella, how bout posting a comment on the thread rather than nit picking 
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:
    In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise : I don't understand why you didn't ram this partyboy aipf ? Just call it doesn't matter what they got it's just right.
    Posted by shelski
    because i have 30BB and want to get paid. Surley if i shove only better calls.
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  • 5toneFace5toneFace Member Posts: 246
    edited December 2010
    Easy call. He defo shoves alot worse. 55, 66 77 99 10 10. Any 8, flush draws. All hands you have crushed
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:
    In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise : a bit petty that fella, how bout posting a comment on the thread rather than nit picking 
    Posted by WHOAMI196
    no its not petty or nit picking, at first glance i couldn't see what it was then as i was writing my post i realised so i thought id post it just in case anyone else had similar problems, i hope this clears it up for you
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  • 5toneFace5toneFace Member Posts: 246
    edited December 2010
    I was unsure what he meant aswell, and just for the record the odds are 400:900 for the opponent. which is just over 2-1 not 4.5-1
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:
    I was unsure what he meant aswell, and just for the record the odds are 400:900 for the opponent. which is just over 2-1 not 4.5-1
    Posted by 5toneFace
    he already limped 200 so its 200/900
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  • 5toneFace5toneFace Member Posts: 246
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:
    In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise : he already limped 200 so its 200/900
    Posted by N1CK
    hes made it 400 more to call. (600 total)
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:
    In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise : hes made it 400 more to call. (600 total)
    Posted by 5toneFace
    yes you are correct
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  • 5toneFace5toneFace Member Posts: 246
    edited December 2010
    phew, thought this was gonna turn into another disagreement :D
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  • HartshorNHartshorN Member Posts: 616
    edited December 2010
    Im calling everytime only hand i see beating mine is A4suited, also if i had hit trips like that i would be just calling to get another bet out of you, and then go over the top on the turn., just so id get the value.
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  • sharkcjsharkcj Member Posts: 25
    edited December 2010

    Isnt it weird how you call and almost know your behind but the call is the right thing to do!! lol! thats the alcohol from last night speaking there!! I have to say i would call but not like it and the fold can only be made on notes and up to date notes at that! But going by the way you play im guessing he knows he can make you put down big hands as you remain TAG. Did you fold??? I think you did lol

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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:
    phew, thought this was gonna turn into another disagreement :D
    Posted by 5toneFace
    i think it was the 41/2  to 1 that confused me lol
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:
    Isnt it weird how you call and almost know your behind but the call is the right thing to do!! lol! thats the alcohol from last night speaking there!! I have to say i would call but not like it and the fold can only be made on notes and up to date notes at that! But going by the way you play im guessing he knows he can make you put down big hands as you remain TAG. Did you fold??? I think you did lol
    Posted by sharkcj
    I called

    I felt it was the right play as many have stated

    For the record he had A4os

    All great for note making
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  • SiralosSiralos Member Posts: 12
    edited December 2010
    Raise more pre, snap call on flop and love your life when he flips over a8o.

    Then cry when he rivers his ace.

    Edit: Didn't see your post above. Either way it's a call. He can show up with so much worse.
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