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Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind

GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
edited January 2011 in The Poker Clinic
What's your play here guys?

The villain is an unknown who has only just arrived at my table, so we have no reads to help our decision. We are both near the top of the field but nowhere near the money bubble yet.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
GaryQQQ Small blind  50.00 50.00 5602.75
villain Big blind  100.00 150.00 4571.00
  Your hole cards
  • 8
  • 7
     
 Fold     
 Fold     
 Fold     
GaryQQQ Raise  150.00 300.00 5452.75
villain Call  100.00 400.00 4471.00
Flop
   
  • 6
  • 9
  • 7
     
GaryQQQ Bet  300.00 700.00 5152.75
villain Raise  800.00 1500.00 3671.00
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  • WHOAMI196WHOAMI196 Member Posts: 1,170
    edited January 2011
    SHOVE it all in!!
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited January 2011
    i would raise a bit more pf, on the flop i would just bet call and play the turn as its only middle pair but with a lot of equity, he could have a number of hands, i think if you 3bet flop then obviously its with the intention of getting it in, i just think we are both to deep to go crazy
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited January 2011
    Go all in and hope he calls.


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  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,435
    edited January 2011
    Min raise is bad. Going to be called with a wide range here and you're oop.
    As played reraise or fold. You've got umpteen outs(9 for  flush, 6 for straight, 2 for trips, 3 for 2pair).Although two pair may not be good here. You're going to have to be prepared to get it all in here as he's not going to just flat your raise.
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited January 2011

    easy reship!

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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited January 2011
    your flush outs could be dirty he could have strt, fd, 2p, set, you might have say about 55% equity in this pot, would you call a shove pre if you knew you was racing this deep? ok you got some FE but its vs unknown whos shown strength good luck
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited January 2011
    maybe im a mtt super nit
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited January 2011

    If we get it all in here, unless he has a 7 with better fd and kicker or a set, we are in reasonable shape! He could call with just a higher fd, or fold it!

    This is a must reship for me N1ck. If we we flat the flop and miss the turn we are praying for a free or cheap turn card, which we almost certainly will not get.

    Get it in here, put the decision on your opponent. Great chance for the chip lead if we get called, and if he folds we pick up some nice chips.

    I dunno what you mean by would you call a shove pre. This is irrelevant, we have seen a monster flop!

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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited January 2011
    i just think if you shove hes only calling with hand that we aint a big fav against and he folds the hands that we are huge against, maybe im wrong i just think shoving aint the best move
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited January 2011

    ^^^^^^^^^^^ and in his own words - that !! ^^^^^^^^

    He means would you be happy getting your stack in pre flop with QQ, if yu were 100% sure your opponent had AK?

    As you are around 55%....

    What he is saying,is that on the flop, we may be a similar sized, marginal favourite against alot of his range, which he will never fold, so why accept 55% here if you wouldn't pre flop. 


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  • pryce6pryce6 Member Posts: 1,058
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind:
    i just think if you shove hes only calling with hand that we aint a big fav against and he folds the hands that we are huge against, maybe im wrong i just think shoving aint the best move
    Posted by N1CK
    3 betting this flop is definitely the best move imo. I wouldn't raise this hand, see this flop and not want to get it in.
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited January 2011
    if this is still the rebuy period then it can play different
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind:
    if this is still the rebuy period then it can play different
    Posted by N1CK
    Yep, this is still the re-buy period, we can do a double re-buy for 4,000 chips if we lose our stack.
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind:
    i just think if you shove hes only calling with hand that we aint a big fav against and he folds the hands that we are huge against, maybe im wrong i just think shoving aint the best move
    Posted by N1CK
    Remember that we dont know about the villain, he could be a donkey and call with worse, or he could be a good player, capable of folding a better hand!
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited January 2011

    Spoiler

    The villains hole cards are 6c 7c, he has flopped 2 pair.

    If you knew this would you still shove?

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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind:
    In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind : Yep, this is still the re-buy period, we can do a double re-buy for 4,000 chips if we lose our stack.
    Posted by GaryQQQ
    in that case its not bad to gamble,  but there is still an argument for calling and playing poker for the reasons i said imo
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind:
    Spoiler The villains hole cards are 6c 7c, he has flopped 2 pair. If you knew this would you still shove?
    Posted by GaryQQQ
    in the rebuy im happy to gamble as he should call,
    in these rebuy periods you have to take some gambles to build up a big stack there is usually a lot of chips flying around and you need to get a good stack for after the break
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited January 2011
    we are a 2:1 favorite vs 67cc so obv we get it in, as you can rebuy its an auto super ship
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited January 2011
    lol nick you must be a massive nit to not be happy stacking off here in any format!

    the only time I would just flat the raise would be if I was playing against someone really spewy, and then it would be with the intention of c/shoving any turn.

    Also if our flush draw is dirty in this spot its a very good thing lol.
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  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,435
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind:
    Spoiler The villains hole cards are 6c 7c, he has flopped 2 pair. If you knew this would you still shove?
    Posted by GaryQQQ
    Without hesitation. You got 18 clean outs. Doesn't get much better than that.
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