losses

pod1

only been playing cash properly for 5 wks now, although playing mtts for 3ys.started my cash quest with a bang and first 2 wks made a  healthy profit nearly doubling br. had a blip on week 3 by playing too high too quick ( and drunk). decent wk4 back in profit again. this week mind has been bad. lost 5 bi in 2 days whilst playing on 2 tables. is this normal or should alarm bells be ringing after losing that many bis in a row. natural varience or game changed. if anything i think i have tightened up on my starting hands but not playing them strong enough post flop. any advice most welcome   phil

beaneh

swings happen.

big swings happen when you play bad or suffer severe variance.

post hands in the clinic, think about every pot you play.

debdobs_67

Doesnt sound anything out of the ordinary to me.play sober if that helps and NEVER be afraid to move down levels xxx

pod1

trying to get hands up now beaneh, not just bad, but some good as a selecton is required im sure. deb, have no worries going down, dont need to (yet) just getting a few seeds of doubt x

68Trebor

 Not sure what levels you play at Phil but if playing at micros I would offer this advice. 
 
 1, Position is key.
 2, Try to avoid limping as you will end up with 4 or 5 players post flop.
 3, Bet out when you hit.
 4, Lot of players at these levels will chase draws so keep betting.
 5, Majority of players at this level will not bluff on the river so be aware of all river bets unless you are very strong.
 6, Try to play small ball, its better to win £1 in a pot than lose £10 by being greedy. This is probabaly the biggest lesson I have learnt.

 5 buy ins is quite a lot in my opinion and I would look at where you are losing big pots.

 Good luck

NODEAL

In Response to Re: losses:

trying to get hands up now beaneh, not just bad, but some good as a selecton is required im sure. deb, have no worries going down, dont need to (yet) just getting a few seeds of doubt x
Posted by pod1

five buy ins in two dsys is very frequent occurence imo,    been on site since it opened and have had some realy dreadfull bad runs,   sometimes lasting more than two weeks,    belief in your game is needed and review your game over a much longer period      say six weeks


peter

OMahonyO

Without downswings, there would be no profit in poker.  If you are a winning player, and are on a downswing, you are more than likely getting it in good and being outdrawn.  If the fish never binked hands, they would soon give up and stop playing, leaving you up against more competent opponents.  Thats what I keep tellin meself anyway.
Send freechips1 a pm, he had a brutal downswing a few months back that makes yours look insignificant.  5bi`s still hurts me tho.

pod1

hi again trebour, floating between nl 20/ 50. won well on 50 to start with , couldnt win at 20, then swung the other way. left 40/ 50 alone last 2 weeks(apart from 1 night, but we wont talk about that!!). just playing 2 tables nl20. winning a higher % of hands than losing, just the big hands i am getting done on. to be fair its 2/3 people doing it, either better players( quite possible lol) or got a good read on me(very possible). gonna give it a couple of days not playin cash, look over my hand history ( when it stops telling me im timed out) and go at it again leaving those players on other tables.    tnxs omahonyo, will do if it gets worse   phil

stokefc

am i the only person who thinks a good downswing is a month and a bad downswing is 5 months,im on a 2 week one atm so im quite happy

freechips1

Hi thanks for putting my name forward mahoney, i owe you one.
-5 buyin is great, i wish i only had -5 buyin sessions.  Must be over 6 months ago now and i had a major downswing />35 buyins.
I have just had a few days off as last time i played i had a horrid session @30 and 40nl, -9 buyin in about 4/5 hours, i have just spent half hour trying to get up some HH to show you but it dont work, AGAIN.
During this horrid few hours i had AA cracked soooo many times (4 times by QQ, Q on the river 3 times i think) and loads of other runner runner straights, backdoor flush and a few coolers (set vs set and 2nd nut flush vs nut flush)
-5 buyin is nothing to worry about, "keep getting your money in good and you will show a profit" well thats what i keep saying to myself.

pod1

freechips, your a gent. not many would put those type of figures up for all and sundry. i can see why dohhhh is such a br nit, mine wouldnt take that type of hammering, not even close. like i said not classing it as a major problem, but was just getting concerned.  90% of big losses have come from getting money in good so that isnt a problem, just feel i aint making enough out of the  hands i am winning if that makes sense.   phil

freechips1

the 20 buyin bankroll rule is no use anymore.  When i started playing poker the fish would c/call (calling stations) but now the fish reraise making poker harder (tougher dessions) and variance is much higher than it was.  The fish would c/call with 2nd pair and if they hit 2 pair or trips they would reraise so you can get away from your tptk or over pair (playing there hand face up) now they reraise with underpairs, draws, 2nd pair and also bluff making it much tougher.
The standard of play and aggression has gone up massivly over the past 2 years, making poker very high variance.
I am wondering what it will be like in another 2 years time? will the edge winning players have be so small that only rakeback pros will win?

pod1

i have just bought myself two new carp rods and a new set of irons maybe its time to take up these 2 hobbies again. even a fat geezer won 200k chucking 3 bits of tungsten yesterday. must be easier ways to make money these days!!!

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to losses:

only been playing cash properly for 5 wks now, although playing mtts for 3ys.started my cash quest with a bang and first 2 wks made a  healthy profit nearly doubling br. had a blip on week 3 by playing too high too quick ( and drunk). decent wk4 back in profit again. this week mind has been bad. lost 5 bi in 2 days whilst playing on 2 tables. is this normal or should alarm bells be ringing after losing that many bis in a row. natural varience or game changed. if anything i think i have tightened up on my starting hands but not playing them strong enough post flop. any advice most welcome   phil
Posted by pod1

Last night I lost 4 buy ins in 15 minutes at 30nl over 4 tables. 

It was like a procession, just constantly bashing the "reload max" button. It ain't much fun, but it's gonna happen.

Took another 2 n half hours playing the same 4 tables, to eventually end just -1.5 buy ins. 

Not fun, but it's gonna happen (if it keeps happening, you/I may have a problem !!)

pod1

thanks mate, back to the grind stone friday!! ( live game 2morrow)

waynec

after looking at my down swings I am pretty sure its my lack of ability to hit the fold button when I know I am beat, you get a bit of a good run and your confidence grows and maybe this effects your folding ..... IMO and most likely I am talking pooh but when I am running hot folds seems easier.

yb

I agree with freechips, I think to be profitable at cash in the long run you need to have a minimum of 50 buy-ins (and ideally much more).

walesboy

admittedly I play at the micros where there are alot of gamblers but 5 buy ins is not that bad.
having my second "long" downturn at the moment - currently about a month. I think my roll is down about a quarter now. But last autumn my roll was up 50% in about 2 weeks! and I don't think I'm doing anything different.
the swings do seem to be getting bigger but i've only been playing for about a year and a half.
if you are getting it in good then that's all you can do, but don't forget there is a fold button no matter how hard it is to use it - which has been my mistake

if you need to, take a break or play a tournie/sit & go

GL m8

Ozzie08

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i have just bought myself two new carp rods and a new set of irons maybe its time to take up these 2 hobbies again. even a fat geezer won 200k chucking 3 bits of tungsten yesterday. must be easier ways to make money these days!!!
Posted by pod1

Carp fishing ftw m8

MP33

Alright Pod

you mentioned it might be the same 2 or 3 ppl who have reads on you or just better players

Whats your table selection like?   sometimes if i can,t find a decent table (players i have reads on or just weaker plaeyrs) i won,t play at all or maybe play some DYM,s , but generally aim for the easier games/tables

if I am up against better players and they are constantly beating me i would just sit out and spend half an hour watching them. i know its boring but a good way to pick up how they play and one final thing would be to mix it up a bit - its an underestimated advantage in my opinion to be unpredictable

GL

OMahonyO

This thread has jinxed me.  I did 5 buyins yesterday :-(