Selling a bluff?

DeucesLive

I sent this hand in on the mastercash show, and interested to see what you guys think.

The opinion on the show was that raising pre polarises my range- I think that the raise doesn't really say anything other than I have two reasonably decent cards- i.e like suited connector/high cards/pair, certainly not polarised to any pair and AK/AQ etc. So the 10 is in my range.

I tried to play the entire hand as if I had J10 or something like that. By the river, I'm convinced he has no 10 or flush, but equally convinced he has me beat- what's your play?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
coco521	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£6.81
DeucesLive	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£31.81
	Your hole cards	K Q
5_aces	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£5.02
Ralph317	Fold
rains06	Fold
xxxx	Call		£0.10	£0.35	£31.00
coco521	Call		£0.05	£0.40	£6.76
DeucesLive	Raise		£0.30	£0.70	£31.51
5_aces	Call		£0.30	£1.00	£4.72
xxxx	Call		£0.30	£1.30	£30.70
coco521	Fold
Flop
		3 10 10
DeucesLive	Check
5_aces	Check
xxxx	Bet		£0.65	£1.95	£30.05
DeucesLive	Raise		£1.80	£3.75	£29.71
5_aces	Fold
xxxx	Call		£1.15	£4.90	£28.90
Turn
		4
DeucesLive	Bet		£2.50	£7.40	£27.21
xxxx	Call		£2.50	£9.90	£26.40
River
		7
DeucesLive		????

freechips1

raise pre is too small, should be 50p.
After the flop what hands do you think can be in villans range

DeucesLive

(yea, the raise was a mistake- I was a little distracted pre and rushed the raise out, would always raise more with limpers normally)

Well, it felt like a drawing hand or weak hand- the way he played felt like he wanted me to slow down rather than being confident of his hand- he called the raise and turn bet extremely quickly, which struck me as a scare tactic. The only thing was the board was extremely dry, so I figured possibly a 3 was in his range, 2 overcards, or a weak pair. Very unlikely he has JJ+ so I was figuring he has anything in the range of 44-99.

Based on that of course, the 4 and 7 are a little dicey, but whatever he has I'm pretty sure it beats my K high.

freechips1

i did not see this on tv so i dont know the outcome.
A few things to think about, anyone/most playing 10nl wont fold a made hand so he is never folding 66+ on that flop imo.
i think its time to shut down on the turn, i do like your raise on the flop but its 10nl and a brick hit the turn, he wont fold.  If the turn was ace diamond then yes i would say rep it.
plz post the outcome when your ready.

LOL_RAISE

just dont 3barrel bluff on sky

N1CK

The opinion on the show was that raising pre polarises my range- i dont really get this, anyway......
if i was the villian here the only big hand i could put you on would be 33 because of the size of your pf raise so your hand is polarised to a huge hand or air, because of the pre flop action i would be inclind to give up as i dont think he is folding a pp or a random ten here

freechips1

In Response to Re: Selling a bluff?:

just dont 3barrel bluff on sky
Posted by LOL_RAISE

so so true been playing some 30nl and no point.  If villan calls flop he will call turn and river, no matter what cards fall

DeucesLive

Interesting opinions...

Well, my thought was that the 10 simply wasn't in his range the way he played, and although a freak backdoor flush was possible, it was very unlikely. I had only watched his play for around 20 minutes, so no cast iron reads, but based on his raise sizing and willingness to 3bet pre, and the fact he rarely limped, I guessed he was a half decent player, and hoped he was good enough to fold a weak holding there.

Thankfully, he was (on the show it turned out he had 55).

Perhaps shutting down on the river is the best move then? Or turn even? I was just convinced I could get him off the hand and once I started pushing the story, figured I had to see it through.

More to the point, imagine for the sake of argument my hand was J10 instead of KQ. What would you say about the play (particularly bet sizing etc) now?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
coco521	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£6.81
DeucesLive	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£31.81
	Your hole cards	K Q
5_aces	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£5.02
Ralph317	Fold
rains06	Fold
xxxx	Call		£0.10	£0.35	£31.00
coco521	Call		£0.05	£0.40	£6.76
DeucesLive	Raise		£0.30	£0.70	£31.51
5_aces	Call		£0.30	£1.00	£4.72
xxxx	Call		£0.30	£1.30	£30.70
coco521	Fold
Flop
		3 10 10
DeucesLive	Check
5_aces	Check
xxxx	Bet		£0.65	£1.95	£30.05
DeucesLive	Raise		£1.80	£3.75	£29.71
5_aces	Fold
xxxx	Call		£1.15	£4.90	£28.90
Turn
		4
DeucesLive	Bet		£2.50	£7.40	£27.21
xxxx	Call		£2.50	£9.90	£26.40
River
		7
DeucesLive	Bet		£5.20	£15.10	£22.01
xxxx	Fold
DeucesLive	Muck
DeucesLive	Win		£9.15		£31.16
DeucesLive	Return		£5.20	£0.75	£36.36

N1CK

why would you raise 3 limpers x3 in the BB with J 10 in fact any ten? i dont think your really telling any story here, its pretty tough to call down every street here with 55 a bad player would and a good player would,  he called the turn and the 7 on fith didnt change to much so i would of given up on the end

thejudge10

Think your opponent missed an oppertunity,should have re-raised you,either on the flop or turn,to find out where he is in the hand,if you shove against his reraise,then its an easy fold.
but would have been hard for you to shove against a re,raise.
Think you read the guy well tho,1\2 pot bet on flop,looks like a c bet,just to try and take it down there.
Obviously he calls on the turn to see if he can catch a 5,the turn card looks dangerous if you had a 10,so therefore,i think a 1\2 pot bet tells its own story(no 10).
good bet on the river.£5.20,but your opponent has put in £4.60,so could have easily have called,and if he,s wrong, he still has £20 left.

DeucesLive

I guess the part I still don't really get is why you'd assign such a tight range to the preflop- admittedly the sizing was too small, that was my mistake because I rushed the decision on the table and didn't take the limpers into account in time, I'd almost always raise up 5x in that spot. But I'd also do that with a fairly wide range.

Is the river bet really that easy to call? I made it relatively small, yet big enough to take a chunk out of his stack- much bigger probably looks weaker, whereas that's on the cusp of making it want to be called. Is that again, a bad idea by offering him favourable pot odds? Am I giving my opponents too much credit?

I'm not sure how you reraise on that board to a checkraise holding 55. That's quite a big move. My perception was he was calling not to spike a 5, but to see weakness and a check, at which point he can take his showdown value with 5's. The point of the 7 on the end was that it didn't change anything- making it (hopefully) more believable that I already had the made hand, and wasn't worried about it.

I think I agree with the 3 barrel bluff statement on low limits though, I'll admit it's got me into trouble once or twice. I actually take that side out of my game quite a lot now thanks to getting stung more than a few times.