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DYM shove from tight player

iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
edited February 2011 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
1tsonly1yf Small blind  75.00 75.00 1595.00
HITMAN_RV Big blind  150.00 225.00 2390.00
  Your hole cards
  • 10
  • 10
     
slayerfan Call  150.00 375.00 1995.00
xxxx All-in  1610.00 1985.00 0.00
iBLUFF ???   
this wass 6handed ina 33pound dym opponant is a reg tight in dym`s, but with my stack do u call? i have about 1.4k back
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  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,072
    edited January 2011
    what was your stack cant see, if it was 1500 or less then i would prob call but if your stack was bigger then fold especially as you still have 2 players yet to act
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM shove from tight player:
    what was your stack cant see, if it was 1500 or less then i would prob call but if your stack was bigger then fold especially as you still have 2 players yet to act
    Posted by waller02
    stack was about 1.4k
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  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited January 2011
    shove every day with 10's, fold to a shove every day with 10's

    can't go far wrong
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  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,072
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM shove from tight player:
    shove every day with 10's, fold to a shove every day with 10's can't go far wrong
    Posted by DeucesLive
    yeah i agree but in this case i would call, the blinds soon catch up with you and with 1.4k in a dym and the blinds changing to 100/200 in 5 mins or less i would go to war with my 10's
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  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited January 2011
    if I absolutely have to I'll call off with 10's, depending on situation- generally if I'm shortstacked, with less than 6bbs and 4/5 handed with the other players in no immediate danger.

    Normally I'd be happier shoving with 7-2 with 6 bigs though than calling off with 10s. Not that I would, mind ;)
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  • JohnConnorJohnConnor Member Posts: 1,160
    edited January 2011

    Fairly sure I'm the villain in this hand. All I will say is bear in mind that someone with 14 BBs has limped under the gun and then I've shoved over 10 BBs 2nd to act (ie still in early position). I definately think this is a fold (I won't put what you did in case you'd prefer not to reveal just yet).

    I think DeucesLive has it spot on.  

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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM shove from tight player:
    Fairly sure I'm the villain in this hand. All I will say is bear in mind that someone with 14 BBs has limped under the gun and then I've shoved over 10 BBs 2nd to act (ie still in early position). I definately think this is a fold (I won't put what you did in case you'd prefer not to reveal just yet). I think DeucesLive has it spot on.  
    Posted by JohnConnor
    yeah it was you
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  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,072
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM shove from tight player:
    if I absolutely have to I'll call off with 10's, depending on situation- generally if I'm shortstacked, with less than 6bbs and 4/5 handed with the other players in no immediate danger. Normally I'd be happier shoving with 7-2 with 6 bigs though than calling off with 10s. Not that I would, mind ;)
    Posted by DeucesLive
    mmm yeah i get your point, but you know how dyms are and more often than not they end up with 4 or 5 players left with the blinds at 150/300 or 200/400 and it becomes a lottery anyway, so i would still call but i guess thats just the gambler in me!
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited January 2011

    Standard Dym fold here Bluffy.

    Gotta get those chips in first m8

    Deuces is 100% correct, apart from the bit where he says he wouldnt shove with 72!:) he would, obv!

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  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited January 2011
    yeah in this spot vs JC its a fold
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  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,072
    edited January 2011
    haha, well then perhaps i should be taking this advice on board too! i can't argue with shanxta who i reg play in dyms and is a top player, as well as greg, deuces and jc who are also well known very decent players, prob best to ignore my posts ibluff lol how did the hand pan out?
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited January 2011
    It's a fold for me here, I need QQ+ to call.
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited January 2011
    thank you all for the advice u all were on the same lines as me. i folded but i would be intrested in what JC had
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  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited January 2011
    better than 10's I reckon, you're in a race at absolute best and that's always a -EV spot in dyms if you can avoid it

    Up to him if he wants to reveal of course, but I think he turns over JJ+/AQ+.
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited January 2011
    I'd rather be shoving an unentered pot with 23o than calling in this spot Bluffy.
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  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM shove from tight player:
    haha, well then perhaps i should be taking this advice on board too! i can't argue with shanxta who i reg play in dyms and is a top player, as well as greg, deuces and jc who are also well known very decent players, prob best to ignore my posts ibluff lol how did the hand pan out?
    Posted by waller02
    dnt get me wrong, there will be some spots where calling with tens with a ~1400 stack vs certain players i know at the £5 / £10 levels will be right (well in my opinion anyway)

    jus not vs this oppo in this spot
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM shove from tight player:
    In Response to Re: DYM shove from tight player : dnt get me wrong, there will be some spots where calling with tens with a ~1400 stack vs certain players i know at the £5 / £10 levels will be right (well in my opinion anyway) jus not vs this oppo in this spot
    Posted by SHANXTA
    i wonder if you mean me lol

    Ye i agree, i think having reads/notes on opponants calling/shoving ranges is very important in dyms.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited January 2011
    yea its a fold. The biggest factor for me was JC's comment... he's shoved over a limper, this to me is pretty strong with a stack that size so it's unlikely you are better than flipping and could well be crushed. Find a spot and open shove soon after.
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited January 2011
    I noticed that Gliterbabe said to call when this was shown on the poker clinic.

    The hand JC had was 77.

    I still think a fold is the correct play in a dym.
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited January 2011
    i would call here 5 handed with tens i would fold with 88 and it would be borderline with 99, if we was 4 handed id prolly fold, i dont play these sngs so you guys know better than me but i just think i would be in good shape here alot of the time, out of interest would JCs shoving range in this spot be any pp aq+? or could it be a lil wider?
    so with 1400 chips im calling here
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