Check? Raise? or Fold? (Your Big Blind Decisions)

POKERTREV

A lot of the time I seem to get into trouble when i'm on the BB - for instance I may be holding absolutely nowt 59off for example, I decide to check and flop comes 5K9, I 3/4 pot bet and turn comes J and low and behold i'm now in a whole heap of trouble and consistently leaking chips.

Lets say we are holding nowt and four or more players flat call round to us, we now have the opportunity to check, raise or fold.

What are your thoughts on how to play from here?
Is our next move influenced by our own table image? (Tight, Loose or Passive)
Is our next move influenced by other players table image or a combination of both?

Please discuss how you would make your play in this possition and what factors we should consider before making our play.

Thanks
Pokertrev.  

YOUNG_GUN

If you have nowt often just check, if you hit big pot it and be wary of what your up against eg. me fold

Alot of post flop play if you miss i would fold unless you are heads up pot and your against someone you have a good read on. Also you should always take into account your villains image if you want to outplay them post flop eg. dont try out playing a limper/caller

POKERTREV

In Response to Re: Check? Raise? or Fold? (Your Big Blind Decisions):

If you have nowt often just check, if you hit big pot it and be wary of what your up against eg. me fold Alot of post flop play if you miss i would fold unless you are heads up pot and your against someone you have a good read on. Also you should always take into account your villains image if you want to outplay them post flop eg. dont try out playing a limper/caller
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

Ahhh good spot YG - This sort of thing has got me into trouble many times, I hit my cards, keep making the bets and keep getting the calls only to find out i'm behind. 

LOL_RAISE

just keep bet/folding

mr_mbro

In Response to Check? Raise? or Fold? (Your Big Blind Decisions):

A lot of the time I seem to get into trouble when i'm on the BB - for instance I may be holding absolutely nowt 59off  for example, I decide to check and flop comes 5K9 , I 3/4 pot bet and turn comes J and low and behold i'm now in a whole heap of trouble and consistently leaking chips. Lets say we are holding nowt and four or more players flat call round to us, we now have the opportunity to check, raise or fold. What are your thoughts on how to play from here? Is our next move influenced by our own table image? (Tight, Loose or Passive) Is our next move influenced by other players table image or a combination of both ? Please discuss how you would make your play in this possition and what factors we should consider before making our play. Thanks Pokertrev.  
Posted by POKERTREV

Hi Trev,

I think an underused tool is raising into limpers, most of the time you will get a few to lay down and hopefully get heads up. Also if you hit hard as your example, its better against one or two players than three or four.
Obviously, you cant do this a lot, but used sparingly, you would be surprised how many times it gets through.
Sometimes there is nowt you can do, but get your self into a situation that means you are going to leak chips, not a lot you can do about it, im afraid.
You could always fold on the BB lol.

col

thejudge10

4 or more players flatted,id raise 4xbb.
get rid of the limpers first,see the flop and re evalueate from there

POKERTREV

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4 or more players flatted,id raise 4xbb. get rid of the limpers first,see the flop and re evalueate from there
Posted by thejudge10

I like the idea of this play and it is something i've used later on in tournies when BB is 200 or more, however, earlier on in tournies when BB's are only 15/30/50 etc this seems to get no respect. So would we be better to check fold our BB in the first few levels or raise it pre-flop much more significantly than 4xBB?

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: Check? Raise? or Fold? (Your Big Blind Decisions):

In Response to Check? Raise? or Fold? (Your Big Blind Decisions) : Hi Trev, I think an underused tool is raising into limpers, most of the time you will get a few to lay down and hopefully get heads up. Also if you hit hard as your example, its better against one or two players than three or four. Obviously, you cant do this a lot, but used sparingly, you would be surprised how many times it gets through. Sometimes there is nowt you can do, but get your self into a situation that means you are going to leak chips, not a lot you can do about it, im afraid. You could always fold on the BB lol. col
Posted by mr_mbro

I do this if i think its a good spot

Scottomus0

In Response to Re: Check? Raise? or Fold? (Your Big Blind Decisions):

In Response to Re: Check? Raise? or Fold? (Your Big Blind Decisions) : I like the idea of this play and it is something i've used later on in tournies when BB is 200 or more, however, earlier on in tournies when BB's are only 15/30/50 etc this seems to get no respect. So would we be better to check fold our BB in the first few levels or raise it pre-flop much more significantly than 4xBB?
Posted by POKERTREV

i have to agree here, as soon as theres a limper, no matter what i raise (usually x3,4) they still call...

no idea where i am at this point

POKERTREV

In Response to Re: Check? Raise? or Fold? (Your Big Blind Decisions):

In Response to Re: Check? Raise? or Fold? (Your Big Blind Decisions) : i have to agree here, as soon as theres a limper, no matter what i raise (usually x3,4) they still call... no idea where i am at this point
Posted by Scottomus0

Exactly my point scottomus - and this is the area which I most consistantly leak chips.

I raise to the limpers 3-4xBB which to be fair is only 120chips if the BB is 30. So we get at least 3 or 4 more callers to our raise, we then try a 1/2 or 3/4 pot raise only to be called again by at least 1 or 2 - we still don't know where we are and are either forced to check, fold to any bet or throw out a C-Bet and hope we are still ahead.

Perhaps in these early levels folding the BB pre-flop is the best option.

thejudge10

even early on raise,u urself hav a rag hand,3or 4 is plenty,if u have a premium hand raise more.
so raise with ur rag hand,but dont get carried away with the flop,if u hit hard ,2pair,on a dry flop,an overbet as u might get paid off,suprisingly quite often,with a rag ace,but chances are u are ahead.
on a wet flop bet out,but the chances are you,ll get called,or even pushed on,so then reevalueate.

dont know if this is correct,but hey i always try to play to win.
always remember its still early on,u cant win it then,but u can lose it

hope this helps

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: Check? Raise? or Fold? (Your Big Blind Decisions):

In Response to Re: Check? Raise? or Fold? (Your Big Blind Decisions) : Exactly my point scottomus - and this is the area which I most consistantly leak chips. I raise to the limpers 3-4xBB which to be fair is only 120chips if the BB is 30. So we get at least 3 or 4 more callers to our raise, we then try a 1/2 or 3/4 pot raise only to be called again by at least 1 or 2 - we still don't know where we are and are either forced to check, fold to any bet or throw out a C-Bet and hope we are still ahead. Perhaps in these early levels folding the BB pre-flop is the best option.
Posted by POKERTREV

Try making it 6-7....8-9 etc, keep making it bigger till they fold, once you know what their limit is do that next time. In general though early on try and have a hand if your making big raises as a lot of bad players will flat with almost anything so you need something to fight back with.