Very rarely can you say "whatever you want" (In my experience of forums). There's site rules, and even if something isn't specifically detailed in those rules the host can still do whatever they like. In the past I've heard people quote "freedom of speech bla bla bla" but that doesn't apply since we use the forum knowing and agreeing to accept the hosts' rules.
edit - I was replying to me olde nutter's post but forgot the quote bit
It's a private forum, on a public forum anyone can post, and say whatever they want to
In Response to Re: THAT blog........ : Censured and censored are two different things Max, don't know if he was censured but he was definately censored. Was the censorship justified? I would have to say yes and no. Yes because the points Tikay makes in his post above are quite valid. No because (and I think this is what has upset most people) the blog suffered the ultimate form of censorship, being banned, when a simple rephrasing of the point Denis was making (that people are being charged a higher % of rake to play the same format of game depending on how much they pay is unfair in his opinion) is surely quite valid too, regardless of whether Sky want the topic to be discussed or not. Posted by Darntootin
Very rarely can you say "whatever you want" (In my experience of forums). There's site rules, and even if something isn't specifically detailed in those rules the host can still do whatever they like. In the past I've heard people quote "freedom of speech bla bla bla" but that doesn't apply since we use the forum knowing and agreeing to accept the hosts' rules. edit - I was replying to me olde nutter's post but forgot the quote bit Posted by NoseyBonk
I think that sums up the hierarchy of a "Forum" excellently. However they do say that a picture paints a thousand words. So I think this just about encapsulates all forums perfectly ;o)
That blog ( not sure about the tone / maybe the denis blog
there was a guy behind it )
This was my 6th blog , all the other blogs were pro skypoker & from feedback it helped a lot
of new & regular skypoker punters .
A little bit of this 6th blog was in relation to rake .
Good afternoon.
Good afternoon to you to sir .
I've noticed a lot of questions directed at my failure to respond to all the "noise".
Noise or feedback depends on the listening ear ,
don't forget this noise is where skypoker gets its money .
I was working for Sky Poker yesterday from 7am until 5pm in the office, sorting out urgent stuff, then I attended an important function in London from 7pm until 2am, representing Sky Poker. Today & tomorrow, I'm having a weekend off - my first in 4 months, so I'm going to DTD to play the £300, & chill.
Sorry in delayed response but was busy attending to 3 kids .
So I'll answer all relevant questions as soon as I get back Online, tomorrow, assuming I get busted on Day One at DTD.
I'll answer them honestly, fully, & politely, as I always do. I hope you read them carefully. After someone Posted that "I hope someone from Sky has the decency to reply to the Denis thing" I did exactly that, as requested. However, it seems not to have been read properly. I invite you to re-visit it.
Ty for that but the main issue was not addressed , so it was a waste really in my opinion .
It simply stated that if anyone wants to be critical of Sky Poker, go ahead, they have always been allowed & even encouraged to state such views without Mod intervention. There are thousands of such Posts on the Community, go look. What they are not permitted to do, & will never be permitted to do, is suggest that Sky Poker "screwed" players, because that suggests dishonesty or skullduggery. It is also bad form to use such an expression in a Sky Poker hosted Blog, especially when I, & the Sky Poker Suits, are always, without exception, unfalingly polite. It cuts both ways.
Once again I was open to rewriting had I being asked , as far as the word screwed I feel you are using it out of context with the tone it was ment to be in blog .
But hence I never copied blog because I was led to believe by past forum bloggers ,
that one is contacted if editing needs doing .
That's all, no more, no less.
Denis has not been in any way censured, & he remains very welcome here, as are all Members of the Community. But he cannot say what he did & expect it to remain up. He has my phone number - we have had several chats in the past - & he can call me any time if he wants. He knows that. He can PM me, too, if he wishes, as he frequently does.
The blog was censured & deleted .
Yep we both have each others phone numbers ,
sky has my email address ,
I was on line in skypoker forum when above blog was pulled .
Communication works both ways .
I threaded that my 6th blog was up ,
because i was asked to do so by skypoker staff .
You can go into Sainsburys or Tescos & complain about the prices, but if you stand in the shop with a big banner that says "Sainsburys is screwing you guys" it ain't gonna be allowed. It's just not!
But we all make mistakes just like your good self going on skypoker t.v complaining about peeps moaning in forum .
Same thing as a manger complaining in tesco's with a banner saying “ god I hate moaning customers “
And from that action, somehow the jump was made to "Sky Poker Stalinism", & frequent Posts likening Sky Poker to 1930's fascism....... I'm afraid I won't be responding to any of that sort of stuff.
I hope Denis re-considers his decision, I really do. But he cannot use a Sky Poker Hosted Blog to say that "Sky Poker screws it's players", or even to suggest it is Bernie's fault. It has nothing to do with Bernie, for the record, he does not set the Fee Model, & never has.
I believe bernie to be the topman in skypoker ,
the topman is always answerable to the guys/gals that pay his wage .
That's not an acceptable statement, & I think almost everyone knows that.
The statement was that skypoker are screwing the low stake players with 20% rake .
You stand by this and accept this ,
yet the word screwing upsets you more .
That's all there is to it - no more, no less.
So, that's it, I'm heading north to Notts now, to play some pokerz.
You start a thread like this called “ that Blog “
& then head north .
we are all busy peeps .
Perhaps you should have waited ,
your response will be once again to long to wait for ,
you can spin it any which way you like .
If you have any questions on the matter, I'll try to reply to them as soon as I get back Online. I'll swerve any which suggest Sky Poker acted like a 1930's German dictator, if you don't mind......
Just post them on this Thread, please, & I'll deal with them.
Thanks.
PS - Have a good weekend, all of you, & I hope you run well at the poker, wherever you choose to play it.
In summary I am not a perfect person no human being is ( ok maybe raver with a frying pan in her hand ouch is lol )
but neither is tk or skypoker .
They both have ongoing flaws , they find it difficult to admit when they deal with
something in the wrong way .
Instead they dig in & use pr spin.
I had no probs editing my blog if contacted .
To the yes guys/gals tk is human just like you ,
he is not always right ,
don't always be a sheep ,
be the lion once in awhile it feels good trust me lol .
I AM NOW OFFICIALLY BACK ,
GOD KNOWS YOU GUYS NEED A MAN ABOUT THE HOUSE LOL .
P.S THAT IS OF COURSE IF I DON'T GET BANNED FOR SPEAKING WHAT I
I think by removing the blog is censorship ... period! However from the points put forward by you (TK) I think we have to accept that the blog did required some editing, as I have mentioned in the previous thread IMO Sky Poker have made a CR/PR blunder by not giving Dennis the chance to rewrite the blog in words that were acceptable to both parties.
I think what you are missing here TK is that your customers are more upset about the removel of the blog than the actual content and issues mentioned in it (though strong feeling are certainly felt about this subject), an insistance by Sky to edit would not have been unfair in my humble opinion.
In Response to Re: THAT blog........ : Censured and censored are two different things Max, don't know if he was censured but he was definately censored. Was the censorship justified? I would have to say yes and no. Yes because the points Tikay makes in his post above are quite valid. No because (and I think this is what has upset most people) the blog suffered the ultimate form of censorship, being banned, when a simple rephrasing of the point Denis was making (that people are being charged a higher % of rake to play the same format of game depending on how much they pay is unfair in his opinion) is surely quite valid too, regardless of whether Sky want the topic to be discussed or not.
And as Irish said "Once again I was open to rewriting had I being asked "
Surely this would have been the sensible option in hindsight?
In Response to THAT blog........ : I WILL RESPOND TO THIS SPIN LATER . Posted by IRISHROVER
IRISHROVER I added you as my freind the other day so do not take this in haste...
As far As I see things Sky have enough to worry about than petty blogs and forum arguments,..
What Tikay says entirely is "not spin" .....He is/has been the most inaugural part of sky poker since it began its infraction within the poker world on SKY. Believe me Sir HE knows what hes talking about and the job he does is probably second to none..He also I believe takes time out of his own personal time to help others when needed,not something most people do.
He has taken time to explain his stance on the issues,But you must understand its skys decision at any rate.
Whilst you are valuable to the poker community and poker forum blogs what is needed is some form of mediation,As Im sure you can understand.
Im sure all the posts are answered and are monitored,and any distasteful material or unnessasary comments retracted by the forum team..
Maybe they could induce moderators like they do on other sites ,who knows ,but I believe sky do the best thing in the right situation regardless and answer any questions/complaints within that skillset.
Sure I havent been happy with sky now over a few issues ,but I guess I just have to trust the staff and others that know better or that have control over the situations......
The site is well documented if you feel aggrieved over issues or the games..
On a side note I wish you the best of luck and keep up the good work on the forum blogs,...
can i ask a question dennis, have (apart from tikay) been in contact with you in any shape or from regarding the blog? Posted by pod1
No , the only contact from tk , was the pr spin in post from him in the forum thread which i was asked to put up to promote my blog , I got one pm from a mod to say the blog was pulled .
No other contact previous to this i put in 5 hours roughly in total creating all 6 blogs, as a forum volunteer blogger .
I took it from previous bloggers if there was a problem with a blog one would be asked to edit , which as you know i am an open guy and would have no probs in doing so .
In Response to Re: THAT blog........ : IRISHROVER I added you as my freind the other day so do not take this in haste... As far As I see things Sky have enough to worry about than petty blogs and forum arguments,.. What Tikay says entirely is "not spin" .....He is/has been the most inaugural part of sky poker since it began its infraction within the poker world on SKY. Believe me Sir HE knows what hes talking about and the job he does is probably second to none..He also I believe takes time out of his own personal time to help others when needed,not something most people do. He has taken time to explain his stance on the issues,But you must understand its skys decision at any rate. Whilst you are valuable to the poker community and poker forum blogs what is needed is some form of mediation,As Im sure you can understand. Im sure all the posts are answered and are monitored,and any distasteful material or unnessasary comments retracted by the forum team.. Maybe they could induce moderators like they do on other sites ,who knows ,but I believe sky do the best thing in the right situation regardless and answer any questions/complaints within that skillset. Sure I havent been happy with sky now over a few issues ,but I guess I just have to trust the staff and others that know better or that have control over the situations...... The site is well documented if you feel aggrieved over issues or the games.. On a side note I wish you the best of luck and keep up the good work on the forum blogs,... Posted by AJW1976
I agree but i never brought it in to forum . This issue is a waste of my time.
Like Tk I also take time to help others , ask around ?
you must stop and think we all mistakes , none of us are robotic . when we do so we must stop digging . but yes you are a bud still are , i am always open to peeps views . ty for your input .
There isnt many people that do a blog then continue to use the forum as much, seems it leaves most people with a slightly bitter taste Can anyone get YoungGun to do one Posted by Neildown
The exception that proves the rule sits before you lol
Comments
edit - I was replying to me olde nutter's post but forgot the quote bit
It's a private forum, on a public forum anyone can post, and say whatever they want to
Any chance you might just be looking to stir it and start the aggro off?
That blog ( not sure about the tone / maybe the denis blog
there was a guy behind it )
This was my 6th blog , all the other blogs were pro skypoker & from feedback it helped a lot
of new & regular skypoker punters .
A little bit of this 6th blog was in relation to rake .
Good afternoon.
Good afternoon to you to sir .
I've noticed a lot of questions directed at my failure to respond to all the "noise".
Noise or feedback depends on the listening ear ,
don't forget this noise is where skypoker gets its money .
I was working for Sky Poker yesterday from 7am until 5pm in the office, sorting out urgent stuff, then I attended an important function in London from 7pm until 2am, representing Sky Poker. Today & tomorrow, I'm having a weekend off - my first in 4 months, so I'm going to DTD to play the £300, & chill.
Sorry in delayed response but was busy attending to 3 kids .
So I'll answer all relevant questions as soon as I get back Online, tomorrow, assuming I get busted on Day One at DTD.
I'll answer them honestly, fully, & politely, as I always do. I hope you read them carefully. After someone Posted that "I hope someone from Sky has the decency to reply to the Denis thing" I did exactly that, as requested. However, it seems not to have been read properly. I invite you to re-visit it.
Ty for that but the main issue was not addressed , so it was a waste really in my opinion .
It simply stated that if anyone wants to be critical of Sky Poker, go ahead, they have always been allowed & even encouraged to state such views without Mod intervention. There are thousands of such Posts on the Community, go look. What they are not permitted to do, & will never be permitted to do, is suggest that Sky Poker "screwed" players, because that suggests dishonesty or skullduggery. It is also bad form to use such an expression in a Sky Poker hosted Blog, especially when I, & the Sky Poker Suits, are always, without exception, unfalingly polite. It cuts both ways.
Once again I was open to rewriting had I being asked , as far as the word screwed I feel you are using it out of context with the tone it was ment to be in blog .
But hence I never copied blog because I was led to believe by past forum bloggers ,
that one is contacted if editing needs doing .
That's all, no more, no less.
Denis has not been in any way censured, & he remains very welcome here, as are all Members of the Community. But he cannot say what he did & expect it to remain up. He has my phone number - we have had several chats in the past - & he can call me any time if he wants. He knows that. He can PM me, too, if he wishes, as he frequently does.
The blog was censured & deleted .
Yep we both have each others phone numbers ,
sky has my email address ,
I was on line in skypoker forum when above blog was pulled .
Communication works both ways .
I threaded that my 6th blog was up ,
because i was asked to do so by skypoker staff .
You can go into Sainsburys or Tescos & complain about the prices, but if you stand in the shop with a big banner that says "Sainsburys is screwing you guys" it ain't gonna be allowed. It's just not!
But we all make mistakes just like your good self going on skypoker t.v complaining about peeps moaning in forum .
Same thing as a manger complaining in tesco's with a banner saying “ god I hate moaning customers “
And from that action, somehow the jump was made to "Sky Poker Stalinism", & frequent Posts likening Sky Poker to 1930's fascism....... I'm afraid I won't be responding to any of that sort of stuff.
I hope Denis re-considers his decision, I really do. But he cannot use a Sky Poker Hosted Blog to say that "Sky Poker screws it's players", or even to suggest it is Bernie's fault. It has nothing to do with Bernie, for the record, he does not set the Fee Model, & never has.
I believe bernie to be the topman in skypoker ,
the topman is always answerable to the guys/gals that pay his wage .
That's not an acceptable statement, & I think almost everyone knows that.
The statement was that skypoker are screwing the low stake players with 20% rake .
You stand by this and accept this ,
yet the word screwing upsets you more .
That's all there is to it - no more, no less.
So, that's it, I'm heading north to Notts now, to play some pokerz.
You start a thread like this called “ that Blog “
& then head north .
we are all busy peeps .
Perhaps you should have waited ,
your response will be once again to long to wait for ,
you can spin it any which way you like .
If you have any questions on the matter, I'll try to reply to them as soon as I get back Online. I'll swerve any which suggest Sky Poker acted like a 1930's German dictator, if you don't mind......
Just post them on this Thread, please, & I'll deal with them.
Thanks.
PS - Have a good weekend, all of you, & I hope you run well at the poker, wherever you choose to play it.
In summary I am not a perfect person no human being is ( ok maybe raver with a frying pan in her hand ouch is lol )
but neither is tk or skypoker .
They both have ongoing flaws , they find it difficult to admit when they deal with
something in the wrong way .
Instead they dig in & use pr spin.
I had no probs editing my blog if contacted .
To the yes guys/gals tk is human just like you ,
he is not always right ,
don't always be a sheep ,
be the lion once in awhile it feels good trust me lol .
I AM NOW OFFICIALLY BACK ,
GOD KNOWS YOU GUYS NEED A MAN ABOUT THE HOUSE LOL .
P.S THAT IS OF COURSE IF I DON'T GET BANNED FOR SPEAKING WHAT I
FEEL IS THE TRUTH .
IF THE KING HAS NO CLOTHES ON SOMEONE MUST BE
MAN ENOUGH TO SAY IT .
I think what you are missing here TK is that your customers are more upset about the removel of the blog than the actual content and issues mentioned in it (though strong feeling are certainly felt about this subject), an insistance by Sky to edit would not have been unfair in my humble opinion.
Good Luck with the DTD!
edit if they had asked for editing post or sayin they where going to delete this would not be going on
As far As I see things Sky have enough to worry about than petty blogs and forum arguments,..
What Tikay says entirely is "not spin" .....He is/has been the most inaugural part of sky poker since it began its infraction within the poker world on SKY. Believe me Sir HE knows what hes talking about and the job he does is probably second to none..He also I believe takes time out of his own personal time to help others when needed,not something most people do.
He has taken time to explain his stance on the issues,But you must understand its skys decision at any rate.
Whilst you are valuable to the poker community and poker forum blogs what is needed is some form of mediation,As Im sure you can understand.
Im sure all the posts are answered and are monitored,and any distasteful material or unnessasary comments retracted by the forum team..
Maybe they could induce moderators like they do on other sites ,who knows ,but I believe sky do the best thing in the right situation regardless and answer any questions/complaints within that skillset.
Sure I havent been happy with sky now over a few issues ,but I guess I just have to trust the staff and others that know better or that have control over the situations......
The site is well documented if you feel aggrieved over issues or the games..
On a side note I wish you the best of luck and keep up the good work on the forum blogs,...
was the pr spin in post from him in
the forum thread which i was asked to put up to promote my blog ,
I got one pm from a mod to say the blog was pulled .
No other contact previous to this i put in
5 hours roughly in total creating all 6 blogs,
as a forum volunteer blogger .
I took it from previous bloggers if there was a problem with a blog
one would be asked to edit , which as you know i am an open guy
and would have no probs in doing so .
This issue is a waste of my time.
Like Tk I also take time to help others ,
ask around ?
you must stop and think we all mistakes ,
none of us are robotic .
when we do so we must stop digging .
but yes you are a bud still are ,
i am always open to peeps views .
ty for your input .
Denis