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Correct fold? How did i play the hand?(SKY Mandy can we have for clinic please xxx)

YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
edited February 2011 in The Poker Clinic
No reads other then villain seemed a bit loose, but not been at the table for too long, is this obvious fold? is it bad to bet fold here? thoughts please, i aim to get it in pre but he flats. I put him on AQ or A9 when i fold here

2 rotations round i play same person again he limped called my shove with his KQ v 66 then hit

339334344(Hand ID)

hector45 Small blind  50.00 50.00 1895.00
YOUNG_GUN Big blind  100.00 150.00 3315.00
  Your hole cards
  • 10
  • 10
     
scotty77 Fold     
sooty17 Fold     
hmd Raise  300.00 450.00 3050.00
hector45 Fold     
YOUNG_GUN Raise  800.00 1250.00 2515.00
hmd Call  600.00 1850.00 2450.00
Flop
   
  • 9
  • 9
  • A
     
YOUNG_GUN Check     
hmd Check     
Turn
   
  • 6
     
YOUNG_GUN Bet  925.00 2775.00 1590.00
hmd All-in  2450.00 5225.00 0.00
YOUNG_GUN Fold     
hmd Muck     
hmd Win  3700.00  3700.00
hmd Return  1525.00
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited February 2011
    I'd personally just shove pre, when you rerraise and he calls theres always gonna be overs which = your scared. You jam you pick up that juicy dead money.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited February 2011

    you would shove 33 BB? i was debating whether to just check fold with the ace but then on turn thought it was worth a stab

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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: Correct fold? How did i play the hand?:
    you would shove 33 BB? i was debating whether to just check fold with the ace but then on turn thought it was worth a stab
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    Well I would shove with a 20-25 BB stack so what 5 BB's between friends. Lets just say he ain't calling without JJ up so you get it through a very large % of the time.
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  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited February 2011
    yeah i'd ship pre

    the pot size is so awkward if u 3b and you are OOP
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited February 2011
    I wouldn't ship 30BBs pre, I think you only get called by better. Maybe called by AQ, AK. I think I would check call 1 street tbh. I guess you could bet flop and be called by smaller pairs or some silly hand. But I don't think he calls with much that you beat considering preflop action. By checking he could bluff at it so I'd check it down and call 1 bet.
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  • mr_mbromr_mbro Member Posts: 1,152
    edited February 2011
    Hi Young Gun,

    I don't think i have a problem with the way you've played it, until the fold. You only have 10/15 bb's left behind and hav 2 pair, make the crying call and hope he hasn't hit the a or 9. Do this, like I would and then look for the next game lol.
    col
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited February 2011
    lol cheers col & everyone for your response, still dont think im ever shoving 10s 33 bb deep unless in cash game but i take on board maybe try it sometime :)

    Maybe shove flop or turn? what do people think
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited February 2011
    The reason you shove pre is so you DONT have decisions like the one your asking about possibly shoving post flop when the board is not good (Ace high). Shoving pre also makes the other guy make that decision, and like I said previously is he gonna call off 30 bigs with less than JJ/AK up? No if he has any sense.

    You have to remember its easier to SHOVE then it is to CALL 30 bigs. ;)
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: Correct fold? How did i play the hand?:
    The reason you shove pre is so you DONT have decisions like the one your asking about possibly shoving post flop when the board is not good (Ace high). Shoving pre also makes the other guy make that decision, and like I said previously is he gonna call off 30 bigs with less than JJ/AK up? No if he has any sense. You have to remember its easier to SHOVE then it is to CALL 30 bigs. ;)
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    I don't think there is enough in the pot to make this profitable. 30BBs is a lot. And there is nothing wrong with decisions... just make the right one :D
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited February 2011
    Start with 3315 increase by 450, a 14% addition to my stack sounds pretty nice to me. Also the shove is a lot to do with position, if I have the button I can reraise and whatever the flop comes it's easier to negotiate, here were 1st to act and going into it blind.
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  • MP33MP33 Member Posts: 6,300
    edited February 2011

    I think your behind there

    When you check to him on the flop, he,s not gonna bet his ace or 9 for fear of losing his customer, (presuming his ace has a decent kicker)  but with his initial raise and call if he hasn,t hit I,d  put him on some sort of pair, , although personally I think he,s hit his ace and is not for folding and think you saved a few chips letting it go

    I,d try checking it on the turn, hoping he would check back, then check call the river

    It would be interseing to find out what he had- I,d say AJ or AQ

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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited February 2011
    I reckon AQ too, possibly k9

    Can we have on clinic please, also i agree should have check/folded turn

    still not a fan of shoving pre although i can see has its advatages i think the times we get called makes it a bad move
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited February 2011
    Im with Mr mbro and Blackfish on this one,33bb's is deep enough to NOT shove pre so i reckon i woulda played this hand as you did Young gun,xxx
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  • hurst05hurst05 Member Posts: 1,567
    edited February 2011
    personally i just flat pre. as played i c-bet flop repping the Ace, if he calls then i give up, i dont think he can call a flop bet with anything other than an Ace or a 9. obviously your beat, your bet on the turn to him says your comittted to going so he shoves expecting a call. horrible folding when you put more than half your stack in the middle.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited February 2011
    BUMP for mandy :)
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  • MAXALLYMAXALLY Member Posts: 17,619
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: Correct fold? How did i play the hand?(SKY Mandy can we have for clinic please xxx):
    BUMP for mandy :)
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN

    WOW....didnt know she was expecting!

    Congrats Mandy :)
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: Correct fold? How did i play the hand?:
    I wouldn't ship 30BBs pre, I think you only get called by better. Maybe called by AQ, AK. I think I would check call 1 street tbh. I guess you could bet flop and be called by smaller pairs or some silly hand. But I don't think he calls with much that you beat considering preflop action. By checking he could bluff at it so I'd check it down and call 1 bet.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    Yes but by betting the flop we can rep the ace against a bigger PP.
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